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Train Sim World Mastery – Available Now

Discussion in 'Dovetail Live Article Discussion' started by TrainSim-James, Oct 30, 2019.

  1. TrainSim-James

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    Complete objectives, master your routes and unlock exclusive rewards with Mastery, now available for Train Sim World

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  2. Jez

    Jez Well-Known Member

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    Can this be switched off?
     
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  3. Michael Newbury

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    How often does the Mastery update as I just tried doing a tutorial in a route and nothing shows yet.
     
  4. Jez

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    I thought they'd changed "tutorials" to "training" in TSW2020 so not sure why mastery still calls it tutorial?
     
  5. Michael Newbury

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    Same but in Mastery they are referring to them as Tutorials not sure why.
     
  6. Factor41

    Factor41 Well-Known Member

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    Can't you just ignore it? If you don't have DTL active, and don't look at the new stats page, then isn't it just the same game you had before, but with occasional variation in scenery?
     
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  7. Jez

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    Yeah, I can ignore it but I'd prefer to turn it off. I don't want to see the stats page, especially as it shows routes I don't even have. How about letting someone from DTG just answer a reasonable question?
     
  8. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    Can you really expect people who took the time to invent "Mastery" to know TSW terminology?
     
  9. Jez

    Jez Well-Known Member

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    You're right. My expectations are too high.
     
  10. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    Please tell me how to turn this off before the first time I have to deal with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. Anthony Pecoraro

    Anthony Pecoraro Well-Known Member

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    Just ignore it. Very simple.
     
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  12. Manclion

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    Leeds DMU driver level up by five..
    Ironically you can't even get to Leeds on at least half a dozen services with a borked signal which hasn't been fixed since release, how about fixing that instead?
    You really can't make it up..laughable really.
     
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  13. DB628

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    I can not used this new system on PS4, I can’t click anything
     
  14. Factor41

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    You'd think so, wouldn't you?!

    Sounds like one of those kids who won't eat their fish and chips because there are peas on the same plate, and has to have the peas removed rather than just leaving them, even though they don't affect the fish or chips in any way.

    I think we know what DTG's answer to your reasonable question will be. "Eat the peas, they're good for you!" :D
     
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  15. thearkerportian

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    Chips with peas? Not THAT's British, eeew! :D
     
  16. Jez

    Jez Well-Known Member

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    A clumsy analogy but I'll run with it. When I'm paying for the fish and chips, I'll damn well have them as I wish and any restaurant that talks to me like that won't be getting any more of my custom.
     
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  17. TinTin_57

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    Ha ha lord help us if gravy is also added! ;-)
     
  18. Jez

    Jez Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I see the usual joy boys are out in force downvoting those that dare criticise the almighty DTG.
     
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  19. Manclion

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    If DTG kicked them in the balls and pissed on their chips they'd thank them for the privilege..
     
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  20. Jez

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    Pay them for the privilege even!

    I'm enjoying the chip based nature of this thread.
     
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  21. thearkerportian

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    Didn't downvote you but I see why somebody might.

    Much of this discussion is the old pizza analogy. How dare Dovetail Pizza Parlor suddenly add gnocchi to the menu? Bake more pizza goddammit! And don't even THINK of serving me a free bowl of gnocchi as a desert so I can at least try them! I won't even touch them. I WANT ANOTHER PIZZA! NOW!

    And anyone calling me a fanboy, read up how I roasted DTG for... quite a few decisions they made in fact. They're still smoldering. Making the mastery challenges non-retroactive is another one of those decisions by the way. Not looking forward to doing those tutorials again. How hard can it be to run a check whether those have or not have not been completed? So... where'd my blowtorch go? Got some roasting to do. ;)
     
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  22. Jez

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    That's why I asked if it could be turned off? I'm not suggesting others should be deprived of it, just that there might be a choice.

    And whilst we are returning to a food analogy, I'm happy to have the free gnocchi (as long as you don't force feed it to me) but I'd really like the pizza to be better and would prefer if more cooks were put on making good pizza. Preferably without the hairs in it.
     
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  23. Anthony Pecoraro

    Anthony Pecoraro Well-Known Member

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    This thread is turning toxic. I feel like I am on the Steam Forums.
     
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  24. thearkerportian

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    +1

    I feel like I'm at a railfan meetup... oh wait...
     
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  25. PlatChap

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    I won't be losing any sleep or getting upset over a free update of essentially no consequence, good or bad. If you wish to partake in the mastery, great. If you don't, don't. Simple as that really. Continue as you were .. we are a month or 2 short of new content I am sure.
     
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  26. thearkerportian

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    I just checked how intrusively it is implemented. After I hit Esc to get to the main menu, I couldn't even find it again...
     
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  27. Jez

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    I wonder if there's any music at the music festival. Perhaps someone could let me know when they are suitably qualified?
     
  28. Mikey_9835

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    Are people really getting annoyed by a stat page that appears once per login and is not intrusive in the slightest? Or are they just nitpicking for anything wrong they can find with the game?

    "Oh no, I have to press the exit stat page button once every time I boot up the game, when will my torment end?"
     
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  29. Jez

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    I guess that might cause problems for those that do want to use it?
     
  30. Jez

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    I just asked a simple question really. Would prefer not to see it, but like I've said, I can ignore it. Not annoyed in the slightest.
     
  31. thearkerportian

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    Well I kinda get their point, yet another window you need to click away before you finally get to the main menu. Was just a click or two (one company logo and then acknowledge you won't do sh*t on real railways), then with the 2020 update there was the trailer* and one or two more logos added. Now yet another one with the mastery screen.
    But that's a question of implementation, not about Mastery itself.

    A better solution would have been to show it at start-up once so everyone know it's here, and then just add a button somewhere in the main or route menu.

    *I'd really like to see that trailer (which is cleary made to sell the game) go away please. I already bought it, thank you....
     
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  32. Mikey_9835

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    Yeah but it takes 0.5 seconds to skip that trailer, I agree it's strange and unnecessary, but several other games do it. The most unnecessary thing is probably the disclaimer you mentioned which reminds me of that old piracy advert, "You wouldn't steal a train".
     
  33. thearkerportian

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    Honestly I suspect legal or contractual reasons behind that disclaimer. Railway companies might be less willing to collaborate with making a game that instructs players to run around facilities willy-nilly. I know it's stupid, but so is an AWFUL lot of people (just see how much car chases have increased since GTA), and it's the late 2010s where companies throughout the economy are run by armchair dwellers...

    Other games do it too, yes, but I don't like it there either.

    Confirm you saw the developer's logo.
    Confirm you saw the publisher's logo.
    Confirm you saw the game's logo.
    Confirm you saw the graphics engine logo.
    Confirm you're not gonna pirate any game.
    Confirm you... JUST LEMME PLAY ALREADY!

    And I'm not talking about non-skippable logos which are usually loading screens doubling as billboards.
     
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  34. Trenomarcus

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    And now you also have to "confirm" the new mastery screen every time, love it ;)
     
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    Oh I'm absolutely fine confirming I'm the master! On your knees, servant!

    Just kidding. Yes, that's just what I was trying to say.
     
  36. Jez

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    It's odd that I can see the GWE diorama and overlay but can't see the NTP ones. I don't have LIRR or MSB. I'd expect to see neither or both.
    XBox BTW.
     
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    I have NTP and LIRR and neither diorama loads up..
     
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    Agree - if anything needs to disappear it's that. Gran Turismo has a setting to turn off the intro video, and their video probably had a similar budget to the whole of TSW!

    What I'm most disappointed about is that the Stats page on DTL isn't pulling total stats from the in-game values. Even if Mastery starts now, the site shouldn't be telling me my driver level and miles driven are all zero.
     
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  39. simulator fan

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    Whilst I like any improvements wouldn't the time have been better spent sorting out those immersion killers on an otherwise great game? Namely:
    1. no cab sway on locos
    2. doors opening when carriages not lined up with platform edge
    3. camera zooming in and out when passing fixed objects?
    4. excessive colour desaturation on anything less less sunny
    5. the never arrived developer pack which would have allowed other great developers to lift the game to new heights (and sales?)

    Is this focus on gaming, rather than the enjoyment of driving because of the need to please console customers?
    Just a thought
     
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  40. TinTin_57

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    It’s the same sim on console or pc. You’re just trying to be controversial.
     
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    You might have a point. It's well known that us console untermensch do love a hot air balloon. Coincidence? I think not.
     
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  42. Yerolo

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    It seems odd that you are unable to see the Mastery progress in-game apart from that initial screen at startup. Once you close it...there doesn't see to be any other way to invoke it again apart from restarting the game ?
     
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    Yep. Those that don't want to see it can't switch it off and those that do want to see it can't switch it on.
     
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    If you logout of Dovetail Live, restart the game... you don't see it at all.
     
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    I don't mean to come across as cynical but is this just an excuse by DTG to get us to set up a DTG live account?
     
  46. Anthony Pecoraro

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    Yes. There is music and crowd noise.
     
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    I like my threads like I like my coffee, with extra bitterness.
     
  48. Jez

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    Might try that then. Is there any useful stuff on DTL that I'm likely to miss by not being logged in? I've always used it, so not sure what happens without it.
     
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    I think prior to this, it was used for the "everyone contributes to a global mileage to unlock screenshots" thing -- I cannot remember the actual term for it

    Other than that, you lose nothing of importance as far as I can tell

    --edit--

    They were called those 'community challenges'. I found the thread for one earlier in the year here:

    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/may-community-challenge.15988/

    I'm not sure if they did any more after that tbh
     
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    Where do you find the Mastery challenges? I can't even find them
     

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