Road Map Train Sim World Roadmap - May 2023

They just announced on the stream that the new UK route will be £19.99

 

I measured the Blackpool lines on the old OS map website and I'm getting 46 miles if you're including all three Blackpool branches, Fleetwood and about a mile north and south of Preston.



Alternatively if the Docks are included at Preston then that adds anywhere between 2 and 6 miles depending on how you measure it.

 

So judging by past experience... TSW4 confirmed?

 

Yeah didn't they announce TSW3 shortly after stating they were taking a break from releasing DLCs so they could work on improvements? I remember that move didn't go down well at all.

 

Finally fixed the Northeast Corridor timetable and it's time to include Arrow tree as a downloadable content for it ALP-45DP can be layered from NJCL Morris & Essex Lines and Raritan Valley Line if these were made. For the multi-current German train I see it being the following DB Baureihe 407/408 Velaro D DR Baureihe 230 DB Baureihe 180 Knödelpresse DB Baureihe 181 DB Baureihe 193 Vectron DB Baureihe 189. Glossop Line should have been train simulator classic Woodhead line remade for TSW not the present day version Glossop/Hadfield Line which has a 323 that counts for BCC achievements.

 

You are absolutely correct on Glossop/Hadfield Line it should have been the Woodhead Line with Class 76/77 alt paint Nederlandse Spoorwegen Serie 1500 as seen in the Manchester Science Museum Class 08 BR Blue Era. What would have been better is how it looked like in the 1950-1960s with a gas turbine locomotive GT3 only seen and train simulator classic version of the route non BR Blue Version. If BR Blue Era Woodhead instead of Glossop Line remember the class 506 doesn't have a speedometer as seen on train simulator classic forums because there is a scenario that it requires you to couple to a broken unit and it's hard to do so due to Class 506 missing a speedo.

 

Thanks for confirming was hoping it wasn't going to be 30 pounds.

 

I think the JT route is Cardiff to Swansea the route is about 46 miles Cardiff to Swansea is 45 and a quarter miles it mentions a terminus Swansea is a terminus it also says there are many stations and if you go back to the sixties there are loads of stations. And you have Cardiff Canton depot and Landore and if you like freight you have margam yard. I think if they did this route with a few decent engines this route could have huge potential.

 

You're not alone, I shan't be buying a short route like that either unless a new train is included. Just read it's £19.99 which isn't so bad for a new livery and scenery I guess.

 

The Wherry Line in Norfolk is about that length. However I'd love the Metropolitan Line - a day 1 purchase for me.

 

Some feedback that can hopefully be in the updated 323:
- Transformer should clunk before traction motors start.
- when decelerating the transformer buzz should also be present like it already is when accelerating.
I could go into more detail about what I think needs changing but them I’d be nitpicking extremely hard.

 

Totally agree as someone who wont benefit from this, would rather choose a free piece of DLC or a discount voucher.

 

Completely agree that a free piece of DLC or a discount voucher, would be welcome to long standing supporters. I have bought all the DLCs for both PC and Xbox, and as I have LGV in both PC and XBOX, so a free one is not a bargain.

I think DTG should look at something that will benefit all players rather than just a few!!!

 

New UK route is very underwhelming.

I’m getting very anxious it’s a filler and that TSW4 is a few weeks from announcement…

 

It won't be TSW4, that will be next year, this year will be a themed bundle. I am hoping the theme is "Mainline".

 

I think it is nice to give lgv mediteranée away for free, but it is a bit of an anoying thing to the people that bought it earlier. I would think that compensation to those would be nice. Even if it is just a small thing it just doesn't feel thought out very much.

 

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Also i'm hyped way too much about the day when LGV Med becomes FREE!!!!!

 

Don't forget CSAO OI-32 and CSAO ME-02 aswell as GP40PH-2B's with Comet V's running on the Raritan Valley Line.
Edit: on NYP to Trenton mentioned services will run on following routes:
CSAO OI-32: Oak Island Yard to Metuchen Whitman Ave or even to the industries
CSAO ME-02: Metuchen Whitman Ave or even the industries nearby to Jersey Ave Industries
GP40PH-2B with Comet V's: Newark Penn to Trenton and to the NJCL.

 

Jan, please have the team contact me if the focus group or expanded beta team noted in the Roadmap needs a US-based member. I'd be thrilled help out and provide a boots-on-the-ground perspective to help make future US content great!

 

Thank you for telling me about that but speaking of the last one they tend not to run regularly the NJCL GP40PH-2BS since the only time they run there is that they have to be sent there as a substitute for the scheduled ALP-45DP NJCL RVL Newark Division Lines since they are confined too Atlantic City Line and Morris and Essex line which merged with NJCL in TSC. My 18 year brother and his mates were on Morris & Essex Lines from Summit to NY Penn both ways.

 

Here's an out and back cab ride of the route.



Cheers
Hentis

 

Which one the steam or the electric the electric route should have done all the way to Sheffield just like it's trained simulator classic version did the Woodhead tunnel

 

What are you even saying. If you have nothing constructive to say, stay off the forums.

 

They're giving away 3 lots of French related dlc in TSC if you've got that? I've got it in TSW3 but not in TSC.

 

I would prefer it in BR blue era as although it was run down that is how I remembered it and (weirdly) loved about the route.

 

DTG Matt and DTG JD (sorry for the tag, but)

Matt,

It was refreshing to see your positivity as always, and optimism and passion for the continued development of TSW! It’s good to see!

Consistency, I’m glad this was addressed because you shouldn’t have a case where Birmingham Cross City has seemingly better functionality than a DLC released 6 months later!

I’m glad that you haven’t been put down by the constant naysayers on this forum, of which there’s been a lot, and some of it quite nasty at times recently.

Regarding your comments about services, services the amount, the content, the realism and practicality are a must. It’s what make TSW truly “plug and play” you can just jump in and go, which is why I go back to it time and time again.

 

Love the idea of having a short route rip around in the 323. Like another poster said, most of the runs on BCC are 50+ minutes. Which is totally fine, I enjoy those, but it’s also good to mix in a quick run once in a while too.

Good to see the dropped the price for it as well, as they really should for short route and recycled train.

But the thing I’m most looking forward to is the NJT timetable getting fixed. Excited for that.

 

Hello! Could you please inform the author of the Roadmap that the correct name is Oldenburg, not Oldenberg.
Was it DTG JD? I think he mispronounced the name on the stream.

 

Really? I don’t think the rest of us are that gullible! Hope to be proved wrong though!

 

With an update to UE5 perhaps?

 

Have to echo some of the previous comments above about being very underwhelmed by the new UK route - it basically seems like a shorter Cross City 2.0 with the 323 again and potentially another large, empty station (Why?!). Where's the new rolling stock?!; while the 377 appeared again with London Commuter, it least that had a 387, plus extra traffic like the 313, 166, 375, 465 and so on. Please DTG can we actually have some busy modern UK routes again that feature lots of rolling stock like this and SEHS!

Meanwhile, surely there were so many busier, better and more well-known Northern route suggestions by the community mentioned in the suggestions forum that DTG could of chosen instead of the Glossop Line - which I've hardly heard off. I think the new Northern route should have at least a 158, plus a newer train, which could of been great.

Elsewhere, disappointed no more news on the 700. Was hoping the new route would have featured the 700, kind of concerned this much-requested loco will just be initially for 45-minute Rainham services on SEHS (a route which is starting to feel very repetitive and cumbersome now we've had the RHTT, 37 ROG and effectively the route twice anyway (TSW 2 and upgraded TSW 3 version).

When the 700 was confirmed, London Commuter should have got a TOD 4 upgrade and optimisation for the 700. If London Commuter can't have the 700 due to memory reasons, why bother with such loco in the first place?

At times I get rather fed up with this game. Rush Hour and TSW 2 was the peak of TSW, now it's just a lot of frustration and disappointment.

 

Ue5 won't happen any time soon. Tsw3 is still brand new. The amount of work to make about 70 pieces of dlc be compatible is a huge amount of work to do in 3 months. If ue5 were ever to happen, it would be better to start from scratch and improve and expand tsw which could mean we don't get any of our routes ported over just due to how much work is required and the risk it can have on whether it works or not

 

So when and how do we get the free LGV DLC?

 

The highlight of this months roadmap for me is the NYT timetable update. It was desperately needed and should make this one of TSWs best routes if done properly. Thankyou

 

Let’s hope that this time when DTG have said there is a short gap in route releases and that gives them an opportunity to work on fixing some issues, nobody misconstrues that and later misquotes them by saying DTG said they were stopping DLC production to fix all the bugs. That has become very tedious to read over and over again from when TSW3 was announced, the so-called ‘big lie’ that was never said. It was basically exactly the same thing they are saying this time yet lots of people still harp on about it despite it being their own misinterpretation of seemingly simple to understand statements.

For the absence of any doubt this time, and something that you can quote in the future, DTG have not just announced that they are stopping DLC production to fix all the bugs, just like they didn’t say that last year. End of public service announcement.

 

…..so near yet so far, when I saw the word ‘Glossop’

 

You are correct and furthermore this should have gone all the way to Sheffield as seen in train simulator classic Woodhead route

 

This gets my goat and ruins the immersion considerably, why cant we just get passenger train services ending at a red light at the end of the line? Its more prototypical to get held at a red then make a stop at a station it shouldnt be stopping at.

We don't say freight services have to stop in a yard and these often just stop at a red at the line of the line, shouldn't be any different for passenger services.

 

Really excited for the just trains route. I really hope they bring their techniques and track building expertise from their midland mainline stuff into their new TSW route. They know how to make the route look lived in, trackside clutters, signal boxes, accurate signage, detailed stations and more. Also hope they have the resources to create a solid timetable as well!

 

You mean the one in Train Sim Classic with Wath and Glossop Branches that comes out to 61 MI with HAA HOP Wagons . If remade for TSW3 from TSC. The TSC Manual Pro Range Woodhead in Blue Manual needs to add Xbox and PlayStation specific controls

 

I guess we'll have to wait and see we. But if you can't see the potential of laying a base (Manchester Piccadilly) to be used for another route in the future then I might be gullible, you're naive.

 

TSW4 next year. I am thinking this will be some kind of Rush Hour-esque bundle

 

The Amtrak services will still be the same, except for some timing changes due to the njt timetables. Joe said lirr will not be a layer due to aspirations and actually implementing them are 2 very different things. He doesn't want to overpromise either so no plans to do that.

 

Then one could make the argument of it all stopping at a specific red light for every single acela service which is also not realistic. Players will be unhappy either way. Or dtg could take out playable services for the acela and only make the ones that stop at Trenton stop at Trenton and the others would only be playable for a very little bit before being ai only. Nobody wants that.

 

At that price not too bad- the 323 is after all a brilliant train, one of the best models yet.

 

You are ofcourse correct, I'd completely forgotten about all the threads where people complain about fright services always ending at a red light on SEHS

Moving away from incorrect stations to red lights also has it advantages for dispatching and paths for example on Trenton as there would be an additional track on which services could end compared to now.

 

But JD, is that fair to all the true and loyal supporters who have been with you at the beginning or for a long time and may like me have collected everything. It feels like a kick in the teeth.

Perhaps I should stop buying your products so I don’t miss out next time with your generosity. That way I won’t be disappointed!!!

Surely a sale would have benefited everyone.

 

I have to say that Glossop at £20 is much more reasonable and it will be an interesting experiment to see if shorter, less expensive routes are viable; I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for now.

I was also happy to hear last night that the feedback with regards to the recent quality issues, inconsistencies and confused route scoping seems to have been at least partly taken on board - the proof will be if/when significant patches start to drop hopefully over the next few weeks. I'm hoping that perhaps some note has been taken internally of the way Jane from Skyhook has interacted clearly with the community and made commitments to fix the issues on MML and that we might see more of that kind of communication from DTG Towers.

If the new timetable for Trenton is particularly good then I'll consider picking that up too.

Overall, good roadmap stream in the face of some significant concerns, I'm interested to see where it goes next. It will certainly be a challenge for DTG to meet community expectations on both ambition and quality simultaneously, but I believe it's possible.