Road Map Train Sim World Roadmap - May 2024

Yes. But it can bring stuff from other routes in a new version. Like the SD70Ace from SMH, that we got for BNSF CJP. So we could get the C40-8W, SD40, SD40-2, GP38-2 from the other routes in SF livery with some modifications on the locos.

 

Is Cathcart having a refresh like WSR or is it just the lighting cause I remember on the last roadmap it wasn't getting much attention just the 380 added

 

It's getting new lighting, clouds, improved water, improved ballast, improved signal colors and more (they didn't list all of it)

 

in fact it is expert 101 and 218 nah?

 

Judging by the posts in this thread I don't need to watch the roadmap stream. Nothing of interest for me, except that HIS may be bringing back US freight, something that is apparently beyond the ability and/or desire of DTG to make.

The developer that gave us Sand Patch Grade, TVL and NTP has been reduced to making commuter rail routes and over-powered, one handled emus.

Such a shame.

 

I look forward to the summer core update coming out at the tail end of September. I'll be keeping any optimism in check.

 

When was it "pushed back"? It first appeared in the March Roadmap, in the TDC category. It was never promised any faster.

 

I kind of think the last roadmap was one of the best, so this one was expected to be a little “dull”because of the timelines of updates. I’m not sure if you are just looking for what you want to see, or if you felt that they did not change a lot of the timelines. But, for example, the US route was in 4-6months in the last roadmap, and still says the same, yet people asked if it would be this month or next. The April roadmap was one of the best with regards to releases, timelines, etc. I’m not sure what people expect, but it doesn’t take 20 days to build a route. I’m totally confused with this kind of response, and the negativity here has been rampant the last few weeks/months

 

Incorrect, it was already in the February roadmap in the 0-3 months category:
https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...ticle/train-sim-world-4-roadmap-february-2024

 

as expected from your last update on it. lots of doom thinking here with the recent "removal" of the BR 420 after Maik said in another thread they are working on another solution for it, confusing what's up there. or the silent dissopating of steam and US freight. I'm still glad it's being worked on and a break always helps getting a new and better view on a project. I wonder but doubt a TOD4 sudden announcement for that route like Cathcart just got.

I am interested with the Soon™ release of the Expert BR 101 and BR 218. if they or the 420 even that drove on the route will be thought of putting in. as it is a passion project I expect no "we had no time" reason to let stuff out. but of course those weren't planned I'd say since the project was started way before the releases we're announced.

Of course I'd love to see everything in. the 101 did drive the NJ 40490 from Köln Hbf to Mönchengladbach a couple years ago for example. but although I wouldn't mind waiting another few months on more stuff. a project can't be in development forever because there might be additions. Hope to see an update on the next roadmap though. it's a great route and I'm holding off playing it now until the new timetable.

 

May I ask how do you come to this conclusion, seeing the pics of the 218, which are not anything new right? Same pics as in the April roadmap or am I stupid?
I dont know how you come to the conclusion that its gonna be a TOD3 loco...

 

I don't mind if the eras are slightly off if it means more variety, particularly without the 318 and 320 (both of which I'd love to see!) and the 156.

 

385s ran alongside the 314s for a year or so.

 

I understand that and I’m not trying to sound insensitive but it’s one multiple unit and some timetable services… nothing I imagine they’d struggle with.

 

It;s described as a "gameplay pack." I wonder, what does that mean? If it were just the 104 together with its service layer and some scenarios, it would be a "Loco DLC"

 

game development is always unstable. Things can happen during development that can make things difficult. It might sound simple, but that doesn't mean it's actually simple

 

Ah, so a bit more than just a 104 and some timetable services then. Either way I’d expect to hear at least something in terms of development by now…

 

This is true.

Also I really would rather them take their time making something great than rushing to make something completely riddled with bugs.

 

To my knowledge, the 420 and the 232 are contract products, while the 101 and the 218 are TSG's house projects. So it's not DTG forcing TSG working on them, it's the other way around, DTG are letting TSG to finish their own things before sending them to fix what they've done as a contractor.

 

Finally, Cathcart Circle finally TOD4 update, among with some other update. It looks much better than what it used to be, better lighting, improve water visuals, more service and a busier Glasgow Central. The Class 380 looks nice too, the train is well-modeled and even has an animation for the angled gangway. Hope that other route like GWE or BML would receive its such update in future.
But I wonder what that UK route it is, they didn't provide any information about it and that route is still in 4-6 month category. Perhaps that is a big project that can bring something we hope for a long time, WCML or a Welsh route?

 

They don't announce most regular dlc content until like close to release.

 

I know, when DTG still provide the code for their products, we can comfirm which period it is set and what kind of rolling stock it would use, but now me we can only guess until they announce it before its release.

 

The poster you responded to has a reputation for blinding defending the product and its developers. But I too am starting to feel sceptical about the Class 104 which, as I already mentioned, in terms of physics and probably sound setup could be templated off the existing Class 101 (though technically the Class 101’s had AEC engines while the 104’s were fitted with BUT engines which sounded a bit different).

 

Good interesting roadmap. Nice to see the progress being made on the Class 380 and the TOD 4 upgrade for Cathcart Circle. Also great to have another new developer making content for the game.

 

Looking at the skies comparing the Cathcart circle pics to the Hamburg - Lubeck with the 218 it looks to me that HBL is still TOD3 as is. if the loco gets TOD4 then it would have no use out of it's headlights on it's home route what to me makes no sense. Therefore I think it'll be a TOD3 loco since it also if I remember correctly was announced before TSW4 and TOD4. I'd love it and the route as well to be TOD4 but as it's something DTG don't want to do unless it's a passion project I don't expect it to happen

 

I see where you're coming from. But I don't think so. They might not make Hamburg-Lubeck TOD4 but theres also some TOD4 locos which work surprisingly well on TOD3 routes. Wasn't TOD4 introduced with TSW3 back in 2022 though? The 218 got announced only some months ago (wasn't it like autumn '23?) While I get what you're thinking, I highly doubt it'll come that way. Why would they develop for an older system, doesn't make too much sense. Although yeah, its weird that a new loco comes for an old, pre-TOD4 route, but maybe Hamburg-Lubeck will be upgraded too and its just not announced yet? Besides that, headlights of nearly all locos haven't been of any use to me personally, if I'm being honest. You're never seeing anything haha.
Anyways, I doubt it'll come like this. But feel free to quote me on this if it'll come exactly like this :P

 

Sorry, but nonsense. It's all TSG products. Not contract work.

About TOD3 and 4. The loco can handle both quite well with the headlights. These are only candles anyways. Don't expect them light up 3km of tracks in front. I'm working on a solution to compensate the non reflecting signs too (basically a further headlight with minimal light but way bigger radius ... no idea yet if that works well, need to try ... TOD4 fog is a problem with that).

 

The roadmap fuels my interest in TSW.
The most pleasing news is that Cathcart Circle has been improved to new standards, and an excellent 380 is just great. I consider improving old routes a priority. Now there is hope that Hamburg-Lubeck will also receive improvements to the BR 218.
I'm really looking forward to Scottish 158 and additional gameplay for the two Scottish routes from Skyhawks. This release will be more exciting than Cargo Pack 2.
I'm looking forward to the release of BR101 and BR218. I am sure that these are premium quality products and we will get an unforgettable experience and gameplay. I'm looking forward to the new DE loko from Simtreck Studio (I really hope it's BR140 based on the existing BR110).
I'm incredibly happy about the emergence of a new developer, High Iron. I have high expectations for him in terms of developing American content. The larger the TSW development team, the more exciting the expansion of capabilities and quality. I really hope that someday the Armstrong Powerhouse team will join the development of content for TSW. I am confident that they can take British loco to the next level.

More and more news! More and more expectations!
This news makes me happy. Now I have to work really hard to earn all these goodies.

 

Tbh, Roadmap was very good, MML is very good atm, game is improving. Fife Circle I am happy is finally getting these updates (that should of been apart from day 1) But then its Rivet so surprise. I am disappointed though with the No Depot services as from a Developer Point of View it shouldn't be that hard surely? I love doing depot services as it makes the game more Immersive. But roadmap very good and can't wait for Cathcart Circle!

 

Kinda hoping the 104 isnt holding back the simtrack german loco. was really looking forward to finding out what that will be

 

I think the roadmap could be reported every three months

 

AP have no interest in developing for TSW

 

Many third-party projects take a long time because there is a lot of work and the development teams are very small™
(trade mark).

 

Ah, I mixed it up with the 423. Thanks for clarifying.

 

my impopular opinion (maybe or maybe not)
roadmap should be annual, this is everything that will be released this year and that's it

 

This would be amazing. However, the route site tech for reflective signs is available, isn’t it?! It was introduced way back with original DRA, however, it was stopped soon after. It was such a great addition to the TSW features. Do you know why it was dropped?

 

Ah I see… thanks for letting me know.

And you’re exactly right. In terms of sound and physics, while I’m sure they have their respective differences, how different could the 104 be from the existing 101, which is already in the sim…

It seems as if it stopped altogether at this point. But as I stated earlier I’d really rather them take time to create something worthwhile instead of hurrying to make something Rivet-esque.

 

I’d be in favor of an annual roadmap too but it only works in these circumstances when there’s nothing new to talk about. When one or more new routes/loco/gameplay packs are releasing in the same month I’d very much like to know during that month not the end of the year.

 

The issue is dtg don't know their own schedule and things change around all the time. Players would go mad if the annual roadmap had something but it got delayed or dropped and there was zero updates

 

Not sure about that. I guess it was a Lukas spare time project. Not an option for HBK to put on.

 

DTG make it quite clear that everything on the roadmap is subject to change.

If you have a job where everything happens on schedule, I'd love to hear what it is because I need something calmer after 35 years of experiencing daily chaos in several different business sectors.

 

fair enough. all we can do is wait for a new roadmap or the release article. I remember a lot of issues with TOD4 and TOD3 mixing of routes and loco's but apart from the fog issue I don't play that much to notice. that's why if it's a new loco and thus most likely TOD4, I find it weird why the route stays TOD3 since there's no announcement it will be updated and CCL just got that announced for example. after they said before it won't be updated.

 

So it's better not to make the Road Map.
They should only announce an addon when it is close to release (2-3 weeks).
For example, yesterday's Road Map includes a German TBC route.
So what?
DTG wants to communicate that sooner or later a German addon will arrive?
And what is this path?
And when will it arrive?
And what is Simtrack Studios' German locomotive?
How many weeks has it been on the Road Map?
Simtrack Studios still doesn't know which locomotive to do?
But is all this a joke?

 

this is also another possibility

 

Personally I think the roadmap might be better off on a quarterly or at least bi-monthly basis.

Oh and DTG Alex in your summing up of the roadmap and answering outstanding questions in the locked thread, you failed to address the point raised about being unable to delete stuck trains doing a timetable run in Journey mode. A particular issue with the revamped LIRR route. The question has been studiously ignored by any other DTG rep in the threads where it has been brought up. Can we please get an answer if it’s at least being looked at. Thank you.

 

I don't understand why anything would be developed using TOD3 at this point?

The 218 was at the top of my list but now i'm not so sure at all. I really can't express how much i dislike the old lighting. Why can't HBL get a TOD4 update? Or why not make it for a newer route instead?

 

Infact!
They are really making me lose the desire to spend money on this SIM.

 

The 218 is not made for TOD3. It's made for TOD4 AND TOD3, with the usual restrictions TOD3 comes with.
Updating HBK to TOD4 is a job for some weeks. Nothing anyone has the time for yet.

 

So a loco addon (also) for a ToD3 route?
We're just not there, sorry.