Road Map Train Sim World Roadmap - November 2023

The only TSW3 routes that DTG themselves released any loco packs for were the 3 core routes, it wouldn't surprise me if the same happens with TSW4.

 

Most concerning is the date.
Six months (6) for a locomotive.
Not just around the corner.
And BR 420/232 dissolved in muriatic acid.

 

Its still on there but it under release date to be confirmed section.

 

Tsg has said multiple times the 420 and 232 have not been abandoned. Do not worry. The 420 is still being worked on and the 232 will be after the 420.

And we can all be patient and wait 6+ months for a locomotive to release.

 

Better wait for TSG to release fine wine like the G6 or Niddertalbahn then rushed content. I'm happy to wait for Maik finishing and polishing what he is working on.

 

Yeah since the G6 and Niddertalbahn are fine pieces of work by TSG so no need to rush Maik.

 

TSG seems to me at least to work at their pace not to schedules or player demand for more content.

they also have the 218 at some point in the future also if things haven’t changed.

You can’t rush good content.

 

And TSG usually help DTG out with they’re Locomotives

 

If that was the case then their DLC would appear far less frequently than DTG's current frequency and cost at least double if not triple the current cost. All that staff and QA time still needs to paid for; not to mention making a profit. Announcement of new DLC would also be far less in advance than is the current case.

That said, I can imagine that many might be quite happy if the quality of the resulting DLC was noticeably better. Pays yer money and takes yer choice as the saying goes.

 

I believe Munich - Augsburg route deserves much more trains available too!
As includes 4 tracks most of it length, the route only comes with the high speed ICE 3 and the BR 423.
You do not get any other train services, even having other TSW german routes, with them

More services - layers - must be added too, like the ones announced for Koln-Aachen.
For example the BR146 + Dostos, and freight trains - there are 2 freight yards on each extreme of the route - with BR 185, 187, 155 and the 193 Vectron!
Also BR401 - ICE 1 - , and DB 101 + IC passenger cars.

This will make this route much more enjoyable, as it deserves it..

What do you think?

 

The route is in need of a BR 440 Coradia

 

I agree, probably could do with a good timetable upgrade, but i think the issue is the memory issues that route has, what will put a pretty strong hammer to any plans for that.

 

That's why the 420 can't be released too. I think.

 

If your on PC or 9th gen you get the layers from the other German trains.

It was the busiest route at the time. But needwd better optimization for 8th gen. Is what they said many moons ago.

Of course it's been left behind as usual.

 

The 420 is in development, which is why it’s not out yet

You do but the route still has potential for other layers like the ICE 1 I think it is, to off world destinations.

 

I am so excited for the new timetable. hearing "new timetable" just made me thought oh a new timetable, probably different era or something" but what? about 5x the amount of traffic (ok maybe less but it is a way fuller one now) and ICE 1 ASWELL? YEAH
also, very excited for the formation editor, can't wait to make lots of formations such as but not limited to: DB 182 and IC coaches, Dispolok 182 and IC coaches (dispolok in DB livery if the enhancement pack gets to work again after DTG fixed the modding issue, OR the editor works properly then (I'd like to use the dispolok due to the sounds lmao)), maybe if it works some custom-lengthed ICE 1's aswell as DB Schenker class 66 with IC coaches, and maybe with Dostos aswell. holy hell there are so many ideas!!!

 

It sure can. I'm hoping for a possible timetable upgrade and TOD4 for when the 420 releases.

 

I’d definitely take far fewer, but higher quality DLC over some of the efforts we are getting now.

 

Same here, I'm also ready to pay a bit more if their is content delivered for it. Upcoming JT route seems like a bargain compared to others when you see what you get for the money (especially in terms of new and different skins etc.).

 

Further to that, what DTG charges for DLC is not cheap. It’s not our fault that train sims are a niche game with far fewer players than GTA or Mario for example.

If DTG can’t create a quality product with the resources it has or the money it is making, it should look to do things differently. Loyal customers should not have to accept half-baked products.

What DTG needs is far stronger competition. Looking at what Just Trains has done with their first TSW route is (at least on the surface) far more than DTG has done to any of their DLC since TSW 2020.

 

I love Bernina Pass route. I hope Rivet Games make honor to this amazing route with high quality of sound (not as SBB 523 in Luzern -Sursee), high quality of texture (they are essential) and new functions (as the automatically announces on the train). If sounds and textures will be bad quality, i regretfully think i won't buy it.

 

I would like that very much!.
But unfortunately Coradia is not announced or expected yet on the game.
An image appeared on a DTG video some days ago, and I believed it will be launched!.
But DTG clarifies me, it was a real photo, not a train for the sim.

 

No, I am on PS4.
I have clear that route it requires high demands on platform performance - mainly on Munich area - , but as DTG mentioned they are working on improving optimizations of the simulator related to that issue, may be next year, we could have some extra trains there.

They have already done it.
Due to when originally I bought the route, every time I arrives close to Munich Hbf the blue screen with an error appeared.
At that time I solved it saving the game, before arriving the terminal station, and then resuming it.
But since sometime ago, I could run all the route without that issue.
Even being on PS4. Not the Plus.

Of course much trains could complicate the performance and error issues, but again, hopes DTG improves the programming of the game, as they announced, to have a complete run without problems.

 

Thanks for your comment.
Yes, as they have mentioned they are working on improving performance, that could be possible.
Of course, I believe not be possible to be like the ones showed for Koln-Aachen - with looks really great! - , but with some extra trains will be nice!.

 

We are at prices now for a full DLC of what a lot of games do cost with about 40€.

 

I enjoy going back on Munich Augsburg quite regularly, a new expanded timetable with more appropriate stock, layers/Ai would be great for the route, especially as more new trains released can be appropriate for the route, maybe they will get something done for the most pressing memory issues what seem to prevent it at some point what will allow it to be possible.

 

don’t forget the VAT is a big contribution to that price tag, all £30 routes are £24 if not for VAT.

 

I'm self employed and selling stuff all over the world, so I know about VAT and stuff, don't worry. But that is not the point. All endcustomer prices do include VAT. And for the endcustomer it is not important that he pays a certain amount of VAT with a purchase, the endcustomer is interested in what he pays and that's it.

My point is that the DLC's are not as cheap as some people like to tell all the time and second that the prices of the DLC's do not justify the lack of support for an individual DLC or the TSW software itself.

EDIT: For example even if some people paid 6€ for an ICE Rainbow skin which does have fault's, the pricepoint of 6€ doesn't justify the skin not to be corrected later.

 

An even bigger cost is the 30% the platform holders (Steam, Sony, Microsoft) take from the sale.

£30 retail price, £5 VAT, £7.50 sales cost, so DTG receive £17.50 per sale. If it's a third party then DTG probably take 30% (£5.25) of that leaving the third party with £12.25.

 

VAT is important in determining final price point and blaming the developer for, it’s not their final price, that’s down to the central government, it’s not fair to include it as its price when discussing perceived overpriced costs, that’s not anything to do with the developers fault, if you don’t like that price that’s for politicans not developers.

in order to discuss perceived overprices of developers then you must only discuss they’re take on it.

the pricing is mostly fair in my view, loco’s are good priced, routes aren’t bad, (depending on how you think of the route) some gameplay packs/smaller packs are very questionable though.

no clue what you mean about price points and bugs/issues, I don’t think DTG have a conspiracy to fix content what people pay more for than less if that’s what you mean.

 

that certainly puts a light on how things are not as they seem from the original price tag

 

However the VAT is included within the £30 retail price so £25 + VAT = £30 hence VAT is £5.

 

VAT is a 20% surcharge on the price without VAT. you have to divide the final price by 1.2 to get the price without VAT, or multiply the tax-free price by 1.2 to get the final price with VAT.
If you're multiplying or dividing by 0.8 anywhere in the calculation your result will be off

 

I see now my bad, I have a strong dislike for the system now I dislike it even more

 

I whole heartedly agree. Give us something different to a 66. A 56 or 60 would be amazing.

 

60 would be quite a cool choice, 56 reminds me a bit too much of a 47, whilst I understand they will be different I think we need more change than a look a like in my view.

 

A class 68 would be nice now that tsw has a DRS license, although other loco's such as 60's and 67's would be cool to have too.

 

That's interesting because the pre- tax price in US dollars should be about $30-31.

It's actually $40 and Steam add sales tax on top of that, so I pay a final price of about $43 compared to £30 for UK buyers which is way above the current exchange rate of $1.23/£1

I shudder to think what people in other countries end up paying.

 

There may be additional costs associated with a British business in America, I think it’s quite common for home companies to be cheaper than abroad

I’m pretty sure iPhones are cheaper in the US this way.

 

Where is this tease?

 

November roadmap. Scroll down to the interview

 

I agree they look similar but slight differences, especially the sound. Unfortunately I don’t hold much confidence in the sound. The 47 sounds are weak. Especially from the cab.

 

You mean, you wish they used Chinese slave labour?

 

It may be as simple as access- they could arrange a video/sound survey with an Austrian operator but not a German one.

 

This is an issue for the Santa Fe F7s as well. They have this fancy functional Mars Light and the AI don't even turn them on.

 

Same thing with the Dispolok 182 as well, no headlights as they pass by. Fun stuff!

 

I have a question about the new KAH timetable, will there be ICE 3 services which end in Cologne with a coupling to another ICE 3 unit? that would be a nice addition. it's so rare to even see ICE 3s couple in TSW, and there are no services or scenarios with ICE 3 coupling, this would be the first one!

 

When do we get a cold start option for the sim in general?

That is a must have feature!

 

cold start wouldn't make much sense except it's from starting a service of a train which took break in a station or got placed in a depot. if you would be able to cold start in the middle of where two services are cut close to each other it would rather be weird having the previous driver turn off the vehicle just for you to turn on everything again. but whatever

 

I can tell you from experience it can take a while.