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Ts19: Rails Along The Hudson!

Discussion in 'Dovetail Live Article Discussion' started by TrainSim-James, Mar 4, 2019.

  1. TrainSim-James

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    Written by: Gary Dolzall.

    One of America’s most famous, busy, and scenic routes – the Hudson Line – is coming soon to Train Simulator!


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  2. Anthony Pecoraro

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    The first time in a long time that I want a TS route. This would be awesome in TSW too.
     
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  3. Lawjester

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    Damn for a route just to Croton-Harmon, this looks awesome! I hope it is out soon as the article stated, because I’m gonna be all over this route!
     
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  4. rare_common_sense

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    You know.. I was JUST playing the New York to New Haven route last night.. And said "When is DTG ever going to give us the Hudson?!"

    I cannot tell you how pleased I am to finally see something of this line being done.. Way overdue!!

    THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    While I am very happy to see this has been done, FINALLY. I cannot help but feel that those, like myself, who have looked forward to this route for so long, feel cheated by the length. Though, I do remain unsurprised, as having been quite observant of the practices within the last few years, concerning route building, and offerings. While the terminal point is to an extent, say more sensible than the laughable choice of length and endpoints in TSW's NEC Route (which I consider a paid demo), I still think this could have benefited from being taken all the way to Poughkeepsie. Otherwise. You don't get much value out of the diesel locos. Other than the empire connection. So, I seriously hope an extension to Poughkeepsie is a very real possibility. Possibly even to Albany. Where both Amtrak and MNCR P32's will serve their full purpose.

    Also... Please tell me that older Shoreliner coaches and cab cars are going to be supplied somewhere down the line. Because it's quite upsetting to be given the same model in every version of DLC's where they are used. That even includes the NJT comet coach equipment. Because if we're being honest here, they're really all just repaints or slightly modified versions of one another. I think it would be best if that in the effort of providing a variety in our collections, that those come in the form of a possible free update like that was given with the MLV's for NJT. OR... Or... When, and IF an extension is done to this line, that those cars will also finally see the light in TS.

    As for Future DLC for this route, and for New Haven... For the love of all that is good and holy, earlier M-series EMU's.. PLEASE. M2/4's, M3A's.. All very similar, and if you ask me, should be done as a heritage package. Come on DTG... PLEASE!
     
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  5. USRailFan007

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    This is just unbelievable... Freaking speechless! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  6. John Murphy

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    Okay, so the community has been begging for this route for a while now and thankfully they're making it in TS. But they still managed to screw it up. So if the 64 bit version of TS can give us bigger routes (such as the Marseille to Lyon TGV route), why the actual $#&@ is this route only going as far as Croton Harmon. Really? I mean yeah, it could be worse. We could get a release on TS and have it only go as far as like Yonkers or Spuyten Duivil, but 60 miles is all we get? TS 32 bit could handle much longer routes with just as much detail. I really really really hope an extension to Poughkeepsie will come out for this route soon, because otherwise DTG is really missing this route's potential.

    (Bring on the downvotes! XD)
     
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  7. NJT Railfan

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    Thank you DTG! Take my money! I'm am so hyped!!
     
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  8. John Murphy

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    I really do feel cheated by the short length. The Croton Harmon-Poughkeepsie section has some of the best scenery on the entire route and they skip out on it. Yeah, I should have known DTG would find a way to screw it up. They should either take the extra time to extend the route to Poughkeepsie before release (which won't happen because DTG is too greedy to even wait for bug testing, let alone extend the route) or we should get an extension VERY soon after the base route is released that should come half price or less to people who already own the base route. There is so much wasted potential in this route by only taking it to Croton Harmon, both from a scenic and operational standpoint.
     
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  9. b4ucmenow

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    Repost from rare_common_sense

    Quote "As for Future DLC for this route, and for New Haven... For the love of all that is good and holy, earlier M-series EMU's.. PLEASE. M2/4's, M3A's.. All very similar, and if you ask me, should be done as a heritage package. Come on DTG... PLEASE!" ..

    These EMU's are the real heritage of the line and should be built as well. This will make our northern commuter rail network complete. Please take into consideration as "WE" are you true customers that appreciate your products. Thank you.
     

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  10. Daniel Gibbs

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    I am hyped!!! I can't wait!!!
     
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  11. BrodytheG4m3r

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    I Am So Hype! DTG Take my 42.35 dollars cause i need this route!
     
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  12. Amboy69

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    Can we get the older shoreliners and M3A locomotives?
     
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  13. P. Maneiro

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    Thanks DTG for this!!! But we need the M3A to go with this also!! Hopefully a future add on along with a route add on all the way to Albany for the Empire Service on Amtrak! Greatly looking forward to this otherwise.
     
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  14. johnnym1139

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    Gotta give us the early M3 railcars you can’t drop this route without those trains. There too iconic not to have. We were hype with New York to new haven hoping y’all would drop a dlc. Then with Lirr via tsw still no early budd rail cars. Now this route and we only get m7s? Dtg don’t screw this up seriously just listen to us we need m3 and m2 rail cars.
     
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  15. rare_common_sense

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    Well, they are going to release it without them. Just have to wait for them to hopefully do them soon as a paid DLC.
     
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    Awesome. Soon can't come soon enough!
     
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  17. Anthony Pecoraro

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    They might not be able to get reference material for the older equipment.
     
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    We want Poughkeepsie! How can you do the Hudson Line without Oscawanna Tunnel, Peekskill/Roa Hook, the Highlands, the Bear Mountain Bridge, West Point, Breakneck Ridge, Bannerman's Castle, and Beacon? Hopefully this is offered as an extension down the line. Mind you, the New Haven Line is the same length as the line to Poughkeepsie, so there's no reason they can't.
     
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  19. John Murphy

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    I personally think they're doing it as cost cutting and also to shorten the time to release so they can rake in cash quicker. Even though they'd win over a lot more people if the line went all the way to Poughkeepsie.
     
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  20. rare_common_sense

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    I certainly agree, 100%..
    Let's also not forget they recently released an extension to the French Highspeed route, making it 3x longer than it was originally, So maybe even Albany could be a thing as well.

    I could see if this was an extension to the New Haven Route.. But its a standalone. Which will more than likely get merged upon release.
     
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    That is a very likely assumption. I can understand it to some extent. But it is still a bit disappointing on that front.
     
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  22. John Murphy

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    After all the requests this route got to go to Poughkeepsie and Albany and since the game is more than capable of doing so now, I believe DTG owes us an extension. The route should be going to these places in the first place.
     
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    Can’t wait lol and will Hudson line come to tsw as well?
     
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    One can only hope so. However, not anytime soon, with the announcement of the route, for TS1.
     
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  25. rare_common_sense

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    It should, I agree. Though to an extent, I understand partially why they have adopted the practice. Because the longer the route, the longer it takes to release, thus also taking away the amount of time given to other projects. In case, seeing as they appear to cave in when enough of the demand is in.. they will extend it. And also providing something new along with it as a consolation.
     
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  26. NEC_Male_TC

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    One word to say... Hallelujah? Seriously, the punctuation I chose is intentional. The word is accurate to my reaction about this route. I have always wanted this route in Dovetail Games' Train Simulator and I'm glad that it's finally coming. I rode the entirety of this route in the real world (and the entirety of the Water Level Route, all the way to Chicago) and it's a route you have to put on your bucket list for epic train trips in the real world, I recommend it!

    However, now, this explains the question mark in that one magic word I said. What the heck is the logic in ending the route at Croton-Harmon? Having only the electrified part of the route for a standalone route? That's a worse mistake than the Morristown Line, at least the Morristown Line was an extension for the North Jersey Coast Line, so that's understandable, but not recommended. Dovetail Games' version of the Hudson Line should've gone to at least Poughkeepsie (so we could have all of the Metro-North territory) if it was going to be a standalone route. Glad though that Dovetail Games chose to do the most important part from New York City to Croton-Harmon instead of Croton-Harmon to Poughkeepsie, that would've been worse.

    The only logic I see by having it end at Croton-Harmon is that you can have complete runs with Metro-North EMU Cars and a few Metro-North Diesel-hauled Services ONLY. Which brings me to my next point. The Metro-North Bombardier M7A EMU cars should've been a train set DLC for this route. For them to be included in the route dictates the excuse of the route being shorter than what the majority of the market who wants this route wanted out of it. The Metro-North GE Genesis and Shoreliners should've been the featured Metro-North train set in this DLC. That makes more sense since the route could've been extended to at least Poughkeepsie and the Amtrak version of the P32AC-DM Genesis is included anyway. How hard could it be to include a repaint of a locomotive in the same route if you have permission to use it's paint scheme?

    I hope this gets extended soon and very soon. Maybe in Train Simulator Legacy (yes, I hope it's called that and not "Train Simulator 2020", to imply that Dovetail Games will concentrate on Train Sim World or an all-new Train Simulation game when it comes to new content from the company by then), this will be the featured default American route with an extended version to Poughkeepsie (or better yet, Albany). In the extended version to hopefully Albany, the route would be complete for all the trains that run on this route and also the West Shore Line/River Sub Division could be included from Albany and Selkirk to Jersey City since it runs parallel to the Hudson Line.

    There you have it.
     
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  27. rare_common_sense

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    If you probably remember in either of the Hudson proposals for TS/W about a year ago or so.. I did state that they would more than likely terminate the route at Croton-Harmon if they ever decided to make it, based on their offerings within the last few years. But, I did call it. Still nonetheless a little disappointing that I was right. But if their extensions as of late are any indication, if enough people advocate and pester then for the extension, they more than likey will don't, if they haven't already set provisions for it to be done.

    I had to reread the second paragraph. I was almost a bit lost. But I totally got it. I think they still can just go and extend it despite having all the included equipment. What can be done, should they decide to extend the route in the future and add equipment. Is do so, in the form of older Shoreliner coaches and cab cars. But while that may be in the works somewhere down the line, all of the older M series EMU’s sorely needed and done as heritage units for both the Hudson and New Haven Lines.

    They could charge 24.99 for the offering, as we would get variations of the EMU’s as well as scenarios for their respective routes. Which I don't think is such a bad idea from a consumer or merchants standpoint. As it would be tedious to offer such in the form of multiple dlcs, which all looks and operates in very similar fashion.
     
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  28. GG1 4935

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    Great News! This is a great addition to the great TS New York-New Haven route.
    Now we can run Metro North Trains on the other half of their routes,
    Grand Central up the Hudson line to Croton-Harmon.

    Also the Amtrak’s Empire connection via Penn Station goes thru the heart of the Westside of
    Manhattan thru many tunnels and open cuts will be a very interesting route to drive.
    Looking forward to this Route!
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    heart of the city, on its way up to the Spuyten Duyvil draw bridge. [​IMG]
     
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  29. rare_common_sense

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    I do have some Questions:

    Will GCT get some sort of a facelift? It's too dark. Looks like it's giving the mood of a candle lit dinner vibes.. Better lighting is certainly something it needs.. Amongst some other cosmetic upgrades.

    What of the Park Ave Viaduct? Has that been improved on.. There's no gradient changes whatsoever. While it may seem like it's all leveled.. It's not.

    As I can see the Trestle housing the 125th street section is still the same. As the barriers are a bit too high.. From a sitting passenger viewpoint.. You can sit in your seat and still see the the street level below.

    And speaking of the streets. For an area that is mostly aligned.. How are the grids off. Even when you enter 125th train station. You can't tell which road it is.. Because it's cut off, or the alignment isn't correct.

    I mean.. Google map implementation has been a thing for years now. Even before NYNH was released nearly 5yrs ago. What's up?!

    I'd like to know that if this is a standalone has there been any notable improvements?
     
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    Amazing news! Can't wait to play, despite my shared disappointment that only Croton-Harmon will be implemented. I mean, an extension to Poughkeepsie would only allow for even more realistic express (both Amtrak and Metro-North) services that stop more between Poughkeepsie & Croton-Harmon and less between the latter and GCT. Nevertheless, I am sure I will be completely stuck on this route for a loooooooooooooong while :) lol
     
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    Can someone at DTG confirm or deny if this route has the same origin as New York to New Haven? It could be interesting to have a merged route on workshop or something.
     
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    This route looks pretty solid just from the screenshots! Can't wait for this route to drop!
     
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    I am really looking forward to the release of this route
     
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    I second that motion. I would an awesome addition to the New Haven and the Hudson line. Then maybe we could get that extension to Poughkeepsie, NY. I'm definitely adding this to my collection. My collection would be more complete with some of the older stock.
     
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    For those who want an extension to Poughkeepsie, I have good news for you;
    A friend of mine (experienced route builder, creator of the Metro-North/Conrail Beacon Line), says he plans to build an extension to Poughkeepsie. So we’ll get it eventually.
     
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    That's really cool and I wish him the best of luck. But frankly I believe that this is something DTG needs to do. They've cheated us out of stuff like this many times before and they need to make it up to us. I personally don't think the route is worth $40 if they don't give us Poughkeepsie. That would be like if they only gave us the New Haven Line as far as Stamford. At least they didn't do it for TSW. If that were the case, it only would have gone as far as Yonkers or something. 1 Amtrak train to Penn Station and maybe 2 MN trains to GCT per hour in service mode.
     
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    Totally agree. However, since it is unlikely DTG will make an extension anytime soon, this may be our only option.
     
  38. rare_common_sense

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    To a small degree. I agree with what you’re saying. But I think you tend to exaggerate your claims and conclusions. If this was in fact done in TSW. It would have been the same length. Although they say 60miles. That’s only because because of the branches. Otherwise it’s really only about somewhere in the mid 30’s in mileage.

    But, rumor has it. They’re allegedly short-staffed and allocating their resources more towards TSW. I’m guessing when they manage to get around completing more the route, that they will also finally supply some older versions of the shoreline coaches and cabs for MNCR.

    And hopefully somewhere in between that time. They’ll also supply the more iconic pieces of equipment M1/2/3/4/6’s for the Hudson, New Haven, and if dare also give us some sufficient mileage on the Harlem line as well.
     
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    Hoping that the George Washington Bridge and the Tappan Zee (I’ll always call it the Tappan Zee) will be made somewhat accurate
     
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    That is one of the biggest things I am looking foward to on this route! I wonder if the route will have the new or old Tappan Zee Bridge.
     
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    Hey, if he puts in on Workshop and it's free, I'll gladly get it.
     
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    No excuse and no mercy. DTG needs a good kick in the rear after all the crap they've put us through. You charge me ridiculous prices for this stuff, I want the best and the most I can get. Otherwise, I'm not interested and I'll put my money towards other things.

    Just the sheer fact that they're cutting the route at Croton Harmon when this game is capable of going to Poughkeepsie or even all the way to Albany just proves that they're being cheap, cost cutting, and trying to rush production of the route purely out of laziness and greediness. I don't care if it's just 1 person. I'm not paying $40 for a short route when this game can handle so much more. Even 32 bit could handle Poughkeepsie, so nobody even try making the excuse that they're just trying to make a route for both 64 and 32 bit.
     
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    The George Washington looks amazing and the Tappan Zee looks decent other than the bridge supports.
     
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    I'm disappointed that this DLC, having so much of previous released content in it, has not been released under the "complete your collection" scheme with a substantial discount. I already own the CSX SD40-2, the CSX Genset, and both the MCNR P32 AC-DM and shoreliners; a part of the line is already in the NEC NY-NH route... I can't feel other than having to pay twice for lot of the content.
    Furthermore, the line is too short, and should have been prolonged to Albany or at least Poughskeepie. Seeing how it went for previous routes releases by Dovetail, the line will probably be lengthened to the length it should originaly have been in the future via an extension to rake more sales.
    I'll then have to wait till this route is extended up to Poughskeepie, and is sold at a 75 % discount to eventually buy it, as I don't feel like I want to buy twice the Genesis, SD40-2 and Genset a second time at full price.
     
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  45. rare_common_sense

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    I agree on the length. That is THE biggest drawback about the route. However, "Complete My Collection" wouldn't have worked. Also, They're not going to supply you with the same locos in the extension on top of what is already in the first version, if all they're going to do is extend the route. Now they may provide other coaches, liveries or possibly a new loco, but of course, they will offer the price based on what is offered in the extension.

    Take the Holyhead route for Example. That extension is only $12USD. And the reason being is because all they did, was extend the route, No locos came with it, but one still needs to have the original route for it to work. You guys love making ill-conceived assumptions, and not pay enough attention to their business model.
     
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