Tsg Upcoming Expert Loco Speculation

All tsg content will be a day 1 purchais for me.

Relating the new expert loco in TSW6, i can immagine highly likley a german loco for example a es64u2 or BR189. Is anyone really thinking TSG will develop an expert 1116 / RJ for the 3 current austrian routes?

From the perspective of getting out the most gameplay, its probably a german freight loco or an expert dosto push pull set. Either way it has cover as many german routes as possible.

Completing the ic set with a br120 is also a possibility.

 

Now a 189 could get my juices flowing… Although it was (allegedly) somewhat flawed in TSC I enjoyed driving it on the Hausach route and it had a very nice sound set. Completely different to the screeching Traxx locos or the older DB stuff with the traction motor blowers drowning out the actual motor sound.

 

God I hope not. Do we not get enough chances to drive it.

 

well in a way the european class 66 is much different from the british one so it would be a whole different experience from the regular class 66 we have in tsw rn

 

I highly doubt a German/mainland European 66 is in the cards as an Expert loco. The upside would be though that we would actually get a driveable one. The DTG 66 is so inaccurate in how Amps are drawn that they’re trying to give Rivet’s 204 a run for its money in terms of inaccuracy.

 

How would a Class 91 go as in it is not in the game already, it seems to be popular here at least from the mentions I've seen in different threads, it looks cool and with the 200 year thing that would fit in, make for great cover art for TSW6.

I am a complete newb so I don't know how in depth the systems could be and if they have a expert in their dev team to make it work

 

We have no current plans for a UK (or US) Expert locomotive. That doesn't stop other third parties (or DTG) from making a UK/US Expert DLC, and I certainly would be excited if they did!

 

This one?...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Class_66

Nah, as it's diesel-powered, it 's actually Baureihe 266...

 

No I was just typing Class 66 but in German language

 

what if its a br 147 and twindexx vario coaches??? if you say 146.5 then a 147 could be possible

 

We dont know how TSG defines a new loco. Maybe a 146.5 counts as new compared to the exisitng 146.2 but it could also be that a 146.5 counts as the same type of loco and so on isnt "new". If 2nd is true then a 147 wont be possible due to it being the same loco family as the 187 we got from Skyhook (not that it counts as a fully developed loco anyways).

For myself i do think TSG will build a completely new loco. cwf.green already confirmed this here before and mentioned the 101 Expert would not have been developed if not for the cab car being a completely new addition.

 

Of course it could be a diesel in which case a V200 (220/221) would be a magnificent addition to TSW, especially with some UIC Am/Bm stock. Now that would be one expert pack I would purchase Day One for £30!

 

I would drool myself dry over getting an Expert V200 ingame (especially paired with the appropriate rolling stock)
Although I doubt we are going to get that at this point. Simply because there's no route to use it on properly. And only using it for railtours would be a waste of potential

My money is on a 140. Reasons being threefold:
1. TSG leaning towards more vintage vehicles, and having a knack for it.
2. Popular demand... this one comes up a LOT in requests
3. Cost-benefit ratio. Expert 140 timetables could be integrated in at least 90% of the existing German routes, and the loco could be made in various versions for different eras, like the 218.

 

Don’t give me hope…

That much is true. I’ve mostly mentioned the 140 in relation to LFR and vintage content in general but it’s good to keep in mind that the 140s were in service with DB into the 2010s and are still in service today with various private operators.

 

Since many of TSW's German routes take place in the early 2000's and 2010's, I see a lot of potential for the 140, yes
Literally any route except Niddertalbahn and Maintalbahn would work, I'd say.

 

Yes, a 140 would definitely see a couple of outings to buy Steam Wallet gift cards!

 

I would love a V200 or 140 (ideally whole family), but the constraints already published by various TSG members are narrowing it down to a different area.

We know it will:
- not be UK or US loco
- be something that is not in TSW yet
- not be BR 232
- have some sorts of electronic displays
- likely be electric as they don't want to model individual components
- be something they have a good access to, can speak to active drivers and record it

From modern electric era, we have already most classes represented, locos like 102 or 105 are unlikely as they would have very limited gameplay (not that they wouldn't pump out locos with zero content quite often recently). 120 would be a hot candidate, but in my eyes it would be a big waste of expert development time to get exact same limited gameplay as 101, and even more limited by timeframe. 186 would probably be difficult to sell as "something not in tsw" with its body. That leaves what, 145, 152, 189? 145 has advantage of being usable on passenger services as well as freight. 189 can be used as a bait for NL players as well though, so that seems most likely to me.

 

I agree about the limited usefulness, but I'd love to get my hands on an Expert 120 regardless. Or any 120 for that matter

Agree with this too, those would both be very likely candidates as well. Also more convenient in terms of research and audio capture.

Still, I keep clinging to my 140 hope

 

Perfect list

 

I think the BR152. It resembles the BR101 quite a bit. But mostly because it's a locomotive that meets the same criteria as the 101, in that it's also nearing the end of its operational life. I believe DB is more inclined to grant licenses for older locomotives simply because transport companies are generally wary of potential misuse of knowledge. And let's be honest, the 101 is so detailed that, in theory, it could be misused. Not desirable, but the level of detail is extremely high.

It often depends on simulation games and the level of detail through which knowledge can be misused. We all still remember 9/11, where the hijackers also made use of MS Flight Simulator to train them self just to name one example. As has been previously revealed, we're talking about a locomotive here, not a train. I see things like an ICE2 pop up, but it's definitely not that.

In addition, the BR152 is also a Siemens locomotive, and we know that Siemens is very cooperative when it comes to the game. (For those who don’t know the story: the Vectron was part of a very active collaboration with Siemens, and if I understood it correctly, they themselves offered the opportunity to include it in the game instead of DTG requesting it.)

 

Here for a second to add a ...less serious, perhaps, contribution to the post, but at the same time something I wish (imagine the fun!) could be a new Expert rolling stock piece for real. It's nice to have a laugh every now and then.

How about.....the BR 732 =p

 

I think it will be the V300 = DR BR 132 = DB BR 232.

 

Something i heard from a bunch of people including some developers is that the ICE 4 would cost more effort to be developed than the average Tsw standard loco.
As it seems this is due to it having many coaches, with each of them being a bit different from another for 3D Model and physics. (There are some other reasons regarding the systems of this train which i sadly forgot the details about.)
This leads to the overall assumption that the Br 412 probably has smaller chances to be a DTG made dlc.

We know that the amount of time and effort TSG puts into one expert loco is way too much to make this type of dlc reasonable for most other 3rd partys and DTG.
We also know that one or multiple TSG members are working at DB Fernverkehr which was a big part in the making of the 101 Expert.
What i could think of is that TSG knows how many players want the ICE 4 to be in Tsw and how the odds are for DTG ever making it, so maybe they took the chance and are now making an expert version of it.

Of course this is all a theory and also me being hyped for the announce, no matter what it will be.

 

Just to add further to my original post. I believe that whatever expert loco we get, while catering to other pre-existing routes, would likely also play a major part in whatever the base game route ends up being.

To this assumption, if Frankfurt-Koln is to be the base German route, the ICE 4 would be best suited.

Besides Frankfurt-Koln, it would layer into Koln-Aachen, Muchen-Augsburg, and Kassel- Würzburg (which given the new 2018 timetable could include some training runs)

 

Do we have any evidence third-parties are informed in advance on upcoming content? I've gotten the impression that unless they're being contracted for it they ain't given any special warning about it. By extension it's rather unrealistic to suggest future routes will have influence assuming TSG learns of those routes the same time we do. Or heck, even a bit before us, because we know how long TSG development cycles can run. If they find out something a few months ahead of time there's still a realistic chance it takes them one or two years before we see the fruits born from it.

 

We know that third parties are often involved in the creation of the base routes (eg rivet with the timetable for WCMLS). And considering rivet have left space for voyagers in the BCC timetable perhaps they know something is coming.

With TSG, the release of niddertalbahn coincided with linke rhinestrecke, with both dlcs layering into each other. So timetable creators of each would have to have known what was coming from the other.

 

That was indirectly mentioned that in the sentence after the one you quoted.

Credit where it's due though Niddertalbahn/Linke Rhinestrecke might be a good example, I forgot how close those were. And I don't think I've ever heard TSG being involved with Linke Rhinestrecke (timetable contributions aside), though could be wrong.

 

Unfortunately as per Matt is not going to be a route at least for awhile and this was only posted a month ago.

 

Taurus 1116 done properly pls maybe RailJet with its pecularities (cab car included)

 

Well, Maik as 2nd party has been involved in the BR 103.

 

wouldnt mind that one if it got more LZB time, for example... although... even in non-expert version, the loco can be a handful sometimes

 

What about the ice 1 tho its longer then ice 4 and we have it in tsw so ice 4 could just be made

 

This isnt just about lenght. The problem is that each of the coaches of an ICE 4 is different in terms of details, some have pantos, some contain the engines, some have different seat layouts etc. The ICE 1 is on a more basic level as many coaches are just duplicates of each other without being unique in the consist.
Basically the ICE 1 has 3 to 4 different types of coaches in between the powercars and the ICE 4 ones are most to all different from each other.
Additionaly the 412 has some modern systems which are mostly unnoticed but are important for the trains performance.
This has been explained to me some months ago so i dont remember the exact details.

 

*me wantsss*

 

Hmmm .. would a EuroDual / BR 159 make any sense? I mean we don't have one yet.

 

ngl i wouldnt mind seeing a expert br103 with new liveries aswell and the cool bordbistro wagon with pantograph

 

I'd really like to see the current TRAXX family, freight wagons, and Bombardier coaches be updated in one big Expert package, including some new content, with the 146.5 and Twindexx coaches. Wouldn't mind a higher price than $60 (AUD) as I'm asking for quite alot!
However, the next Expert loco will probably be a br 141, 120, or Railjet.
Maybe there's an Austrian base TSW route that the Railjet could layer onto?