Tsw 4 Editor - Important Dev Questions

Thank you. I'll start the process to recover it.

Wine = Wine Is Not an Emulator
Its a series of libraries to run software created for MS Windows under, usually, a distro linux.
Not everything runs correctly so you have to check the status on the Wine database,
https://appdb.winehq.org/

For TSW there is only a very old entry and it isn't great.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=19100

 

A Windows "emulator" (but not really) for Linux, basically a collection of software that allows you to execute PE executables (think .exe) under Linux and have it work together with all of the windows specific APIs.

 

TSW runs fine under Wine/Proton, for Steam games you want to check ProtonDB: https://www.protondb.com/app/1944790
And as I've said, I've heard decent things about the Unreal Editor and Wine.

 

question? dose the tunnel come with it own darkness built in or is that layer we have to add on when making tunnel.

 

As I have said, TSW happily runs under Wine.

 

As we still cannot move our cab position - especially the BRO 110, LFR 103 and SKW 401 are pretty off. Some won't let you properly see through the wiper field in rain, some are too far away. Should be customisable.

Will we be able to edit the RVV blueprint and change camera values?

 

i have cn Oakville sub dlc for tsw2 and when i buy tsw4 it ill transfer over to tsw4, if i make my own route using those content will i be able to use the trackside quest things? like placing maps on wall or fixing lamps and stuff or is that off limits? i guessing someone will make video on how to make your own quest assests.

 

Scratch any route with a tunnel to start with, then. (Think I might put dibs on Epping to Ongar!).

As good a time to bring the thorny subject up, if we want to have a go at putting sound reverb in tunnels or under bridges, I'm assuming there are still hurdles with that as well?

 

In a non DTG route it shouldn't be a problem to add sound sources under bridges or in tunnels. Editing existing routes, however, won't be possible. Maybe scenery layers for scenarios are possible.

 

How does the TSW engine/editor handle with different gauges than 1435 mm? India has 1676 mm while japan has 1067 mm in regular commercial mainline operation.

 

Yeah, so when it comes to scenarios with DTG Routes and your own routes I think, there is a layer added on top with any assets you add etc. which will only load in the game when you are playing that scenario, from what I can think. The reason why I think this works is that you are not changing the base level or anything, you are instead adding on top a layer, probably a streaming level I would imagine with your stuff. That is my basic understanding without a mad amount of detail .

Thats my understanding anyway but I'm not DTG or touched to official editor so I could be wrong. UE side though I'm comfortable I roughly on right lines.

 

We know it can handle non-standard gauges, because Arosalinie is metre-gauge.

 

this is just me but wouldn't the Gauge thing be more a rendering thing. So the logic behind would be same but the rendering would be what shows the different Gauge. I slightly guessing here but that's how I would look at it?

 

In the case of my rollingstock, which are 1m in gauge, I had to set the appropriate parameters for the axes, the gauge, the length etc. and the resulting "feeling", the handling, etc wasn't of a standard gauge train. In TSW4 I'm sure it will be the same.

 

ohhhh right , we'll have to see most likley

 

It looks like working with the editor will demand more from the computer than just running the game does; especially, I'd guess that the more RAM for assets and working space, the better. Does DTG have practical suggestions for development system specs over and above what's recommended for the game itself?

 

Well I loaded a basic scene in the default UE4 editor and it was stressing the hardware less than the TSC or Trainz 22 editors. Of course, a train sim landscape with hi-res DEM, multiple terrain textures and 100’s of objects on each tile might be a different matter.

And that’s on an old laptop with an I5 2.3Ghz processor and GT950 4Gb GPU. So here’s hoping.

 

Fastest single threaded performance CPU you can get, 32GB RAM minimum, GPU same as recommended for game.

 

That will definitely struggle on the laptop then… Guess we will find out on the 27th whether it’s a go/no go for me as regards route building.

 

The biggest demand targets the patience of people working with it I have a beefy PC (HEDT, 14 Cores and such: ~8000€) and i'm sitting and waiting a lot. Mostly for shaders compiling or routes loading. But also other things need lots of waiting time. This whole creation proccess in UE4 is slow per se. TSC creation speed is like a fighter jet against a prop plane from WW1 (TSW).

 

You should be okay with it, things will be slower, but useable. RAM is really helpful for UE4 and is usally the easiest part to upgrade. It's just UE4 can be, how do I say, a bit crashy, my advice is if it's compiling or working on something in the background just leave it be.

 

Anything you have which runs that hogs CPU as well I would say close if it's not needed to be open. I found with my beefy PC it helps when UE is trying to run things in background etc.

Also, have task manager open when using UE is good cause if you think it's froze you can look on Task Manager to see what it's doing and normally it'll be some sort of computation it's doing in background that's causing it to hang for couple of seconds or minutes etc.

 

Not an exhaustive list, but just some things i have noticed with the source editor.

Multithreaded tasks: compiling shaders, light baking

Singlethreaded tasks: simulating timetables

Stuff that's slow regardless of PC: loading play in editor (mostly seen on large routes), saving timetable files (mostly seen on large service mode timetables), loading and unloading tiles as you move throughout the map

I7-12700K all core 4.6GHz, 128GB DDR4 3600MHz, RTX 3080Ti, Samsung 980 PRO NVMe SSD

 

I suppose having the editor on an SSD while keeping project files on a HDD would be the best way to do things. Is that correct?

I currently have a Ryzen 5 3600, 32GB DDR4, RX 6700xt and a PCIe SSD. That rig can run UE4 and UE5 without any issues but it had never seen a map as big as a TSW route.

 

I heard a remark about the ARK Survival Evolved editor that playing in viewport was impossible because it would just run out of memory and crash. Instead you were supposed to test things in standalone as that would somehow have lower memory usage.

Could anything like this be true for the TSW editor?

 

The best way would be to have all files handled by the editor, including all project files, on an SSD. If you decide to not work on some projects for a while, you could move those files to the HDD if you are pressed for space on your SSD.

But the speed difference of HDD to SSD is absolutely indescribable. Even Firefox has a massive difference: when the profile is on HDD, it took more than a minute to completely load up with all tabs, with the profile on SSD, it took under 5 seconds.

 

That's not exactly what I had in mind. In the drop-down next to the in-editor play button, you can pick various modes like Selected Viewport, New Editor Window and Standalone Game. The last one always gets somewhat higher framerates (at least for me) and was also rumored to have lower RAM usage (even with the editor open) compared to the others.

That's what I want to confirm.

 

I would suspect that standalone runs without the blueprint debugging activated which would explain a faster framerate. The embedded play-in-editor allows you to stop the gameplay at any point and investigate the state of the blueprints and source code (won't apply in our editor as we don't have access to that).

 

Yeah, I guess that's it alongside with using final shaders instead of the in-editor ones, which might also generate extra information.

edit: Might also decrease memory usage though. I will download one of these big UE5 projects just to fool around.

 

As soon as you start to build your own stuff (routes and trains) you suffer from the same "problems" as we do. Cooked content runs smoother in editor. But the source running in PIE (and that's the only way to produce content in a efficient way) is, at least to me personally, a pain some times. Just yesterday i waited about 2 hours to run a test of 10 seconds. I wish the editor would benefit more from a powerful PC but it's not. You are good with a standard SSD. M.2 SSDs will give you only little speed up, but not what you might expect. I paid for that knowledge a 1000€ spent into a 4 drive M.2 SSD Raid that gives nothing at the end (other than the feeling you something really special sitting in your PC). Also multiple cores on the CPU are not a big benefit. Only when it comes to shader-compilation. All the other stuff does not care. A single beefy core is better than 14 mid-power cores (3.3Ghz).

 

One thing for me which I also do is turn off that Use Less CPU in background option. Reason is if your letting it do something and you switch to focus on a different application with it turned on it reduces amount of CPU it uses I think. End up taking longer. If your PC can handle letting it use what it needs whilst your doing other stuff, it's a good option to untick.

At least for me anyway.

 

I like viewport myself cause I can have debug stuff on another monitor etc and still have output log showing etc.

 

When making a timetable, is it possible to add a layer for a train that the user doesn't own? For example, say I made a timetable for ECML and wanted to layer in the 158 but don't own MML, can I still set it up to layer in for those who do?

 

I don't believe so. You need the DLC in order to have the ability to create a formation using the 158.

 

I believe you can only do stuff with DLC you own both in game and via editor if that make sense.

 

This is good to know! My Ryzen 3700X (to become a 5900X soon)/32 GB RAM/3700ti system should be fine, but I am still running spinner drives. Luckily, a nice WD 1TB SSD was on sale for $50 at Best Buy, so I picked one up today...and then discovered that my nearly 15 year old case has no place to put an SSD.



I assume somebody's made a mount of some kind that will let me fit the thing in a drive bay or somewhere in the case.

 

Assuming you start small, hopefully you can get away with at least experimenting enough to see what you'll enjoy doing.

It did crash on them in the stream. But us veteran players of RPGs (especially Bethesda RPGs) have "save often or else" burned in.

 

Can you make extensions on the route that is already been made?

 

Not one from DTG. That would require the source format which you won't have. But if at some point there are source files for community-developed routes available, you could extend those.

 

Yeah you can get 3.5 inch to 2.5 inch drive mounts pretty cheap on Amazon.