I agree with every word the OP so eloquently writes, I think many of us feel that way, even possibly the majority excepting the fan boys, who knows? My recommendation is to vote with your wallet and wait till it goes on deep sale, unless the routes and locos in the release are something that you really want now.
By ripping people off every year and losing a Well TS exists under the same capitalism but follows a much more customer friendly route, and has been around a long while.
Exactly. Calling for a boycott isn't going to do anything. I bought TSW4 at a steep discount because I saw no justification for this game and the only routes I got was the LIRR and Suffragette Line. I don't use livery designer or scenario planner and you can't even pick up or drop off passengers using free roam (even though passengers in general are a mess) so I don't use that mode either and the core routes are routes that I weren't interested in. If TSW 5 is going to be a paid core update, I wonder what are going to be the core features of that game that they will use to try to justify it.
I can’t imagine what changes are left for DTG to spin as shiny new features, in all honesty they’ve done that already and a lot of them don’t work properly either. I know “we are going to fix every single bug ever reported to us in TSW5”, heck that would be the biggest selling TSW game ever!
Well they could fix the outstanding save game issues and give us more than one slot. They could add more player customisation for lighting, particularly gamma at least to the equivalent of the unofficial mod. Buff the steam physics so they at least match default TSC.
Its not always the case of "the do not fix this or that or neglect this bug" sometimes there is no fix for bugs... If you fix A you broke B,C,D and than is the choice really easy...
That would be amazing but given that this is Dovetail Games, I doubt that they would do that unfortunately. Also there would be a high chance that if they added a feature, it would probably break something else
it was in reference to the other user I quoted as saying basically that if DTG earn enough then they will please their fellow comrades with a slice of the pie, capitalism doesn’t trickle down, their is no enough their is only more. though yes i agree TSC is a better model of release to TSW.
I see. Actually I find myself playing TS a lot more nowadays, the RW Enhancer has transformed the game and made it much better. So nice to have a really big choice of routes and complete rolling stock lists. For vintage it’s unbeatable. CC was the sort of thing I’d like to see more of in TSW. Perhaps connect routes up more and have more complete timetables. For example extend ECML to York and then populate York with Northern services as well as LNER.
thread's not closed yet I see. man, all of this is just too funny. guess it's a yearly tradition now, just like christmas
I fully understand their move, like i wrote before in differeng thread... not sure if thats the reason but im sure you all will be screaming if the game stopped working after they release TSW 5 like a free update which will update from TSW 4 and you will have to lower your settings to play the game again. With every version they are trying to improve something and it got always impact on HW. Will you be happy if your FPS drop from 50 to 15 for example and your game will be unplayable ? No, you will write tons of complains, spam the forum with multiple threads. Thats why you will have still working TSW 4 and you can refund TSW 5 if you will not like it. As i hate it too to have same version of the game on my steam library mostly with the same bugs, nobody is forcing me to keep buying it, thats only my decision if i would like to keep supporting dev which keep promising stuff but not delivering. I dont think you will miss a lot if you for example skip one or 2 versions. After 2 years you can buy TSW 7 and all those DLCs for TSW 5 ad TSW 6 will be on huge sale I dont even buy TSW 3 (i got it like a gift from somebody), i was ready to skip TSW 4 too but then they announced that editor, that was only reason why i buy TSW 4 and there is a lot of PC users who got the TSW 4 only because of editor. But now there is nothing what can make me buy TSW 5. I usually play only with editor, and im using the game only for testing my stuff.
I keep reading people saying “nobody is forcing you to buy TSW5”, but the point is they are aren’t they? Because if you don’t you’ll end up with abandonware and won’t be able buy new dlc. So let’s clear that up.
How many new games do you buy a year? What’s £40 quid really though? I can blow that on a few dominos pizzas at the weekend for the family. Life is too short. Got to have some pleasure in your life and for £40 quid roughly is nothing. 3 new routes and 2 or more locos. Bargain.
Yes I spend most of my time in the Editor and have become fascinated with trying to expand/improve Routes and Scenario Planner. Mind you had I relied on DTG alone then I wouldn't have been able to see my paths and formations in-game. It is outrageous that, nearly 1 year after the launch of TSW4, DTG have failed to produce anything that allows community projects to be cooked and distributed. In fact the only reason we can do the things that we do with the Editor at the moment is down to Trainsimcz's efforts. For that he should be applauded.
The games run exactly the same, mainly because it is indeed the same game. FPS differ highly from route to route.
See and thats the point... i dont really buy a DLC for TSW 4 because i got the game only because of editor. So im fine with abandonware version as long as it support mods because every new version is just making modding more difficult. So far there is not DLC im really interested in... maybe one day they will finally release Czech content but till that time im fine without new game and DLCs
could say the same to the taxman… what’s £40 in life I could spend that easily on 4 takeaways, the point is I’d rather not pay it (among other things) TSW is also a collection based game, they have said frequently you buy what you want, now you are forced to buy select routes…
There's not a single person at DTG that can justify this behaviour, [EDIT - Jan - Language] who claim they're rail fans. I tell you what, I wouldn't hire a single one of them to develop any game. They've never address this issue, they never will. I gave them until TSW2 and then gave up. I will absolutely boycott them until they recognise how vile their predatory practises are.
I bet if the new government said you need to pay an extra £40 tax a year to save the NHS he would blow a gasket!
At least he buys his content and does not say the scripted usual things. I prefer people who review with critical points rather than say "It's good, it's spot on, it's decent" Then again not sure why I am responding to you when you can watch what you want. Also how in the world do you know if he knows what he is talking about. You are not him so don't put things in people's mouth unless you know it's factual. You don't have to watch him but I recommend everyone that they do. The fact that you would say that is just contradicting your point. If your going to respond to me give validity to your reason rather than make up a statement on the point and act like you know instead of letting your opinion bleed through like a sore thumb. You think I would urge people to watch the usual youtubers that are big and are played by DTG for reviews and say the usual scripted garbage for PR. In a day and age where scummy content prevails over actual good content yeah we all need reality checks haha. Don't say that to contradict me because I recommend people to watch him for the reasons I gave and gave my opinion of DTG but yes I know I can be harsh but you need harsh people to make a company work, DTG is no exception.
He also uses the same script for most of his videos. It's not constructive for him to yell into the mic, using expletives for many of his older videos and calling dtg lazy and pathetic every chance he gets. His requests can also be unrealistic. Including all the branch lines, multiple new rolling stock, including every single ai service and sometimes requesting they be fully modeled and drivable like he said with the schwebebahn for rro i believe. He can get the point across in better ways
I like the Trainspotter from Turanger or whatever the name is, because he speaks his mind and is not afraid to say out loud what many of us think. He is also a very knowledgeable guy on railways around the world. Far more interesting and useful to us than the bunch of DTG lackeys we have elsewhere on YouTube, many of whom are gifted dlc to butter their fingers. If you watch one of them you’ve seen them all. Boring.
I actually find him interesting and thought provoking to listen to. YouTube is an entertainment platform and most of the other TSW sites are just so, so boring. Watch one you’ve seen them all. Worst of all are the DTG crawlers.
So if people like you dont like or watch the "DTG Crawlers" Why are people like you always bringing them up into conversations? Hentis
Another year another thread relating to the next game, TSW 5 technically doesn’t exist, yes something’s been found but there’s nothing to prove it’s tsw 5, once it’s been announced then yes there is one but right now it doesn’t exist, yet I bet you pay for the same football game every year or the same “historical” combat game with zombies every year
Obviously you have 0 clue how a business works, they have to make products to sell to consumers to make profit, no profit = no improvement
Nothing is forced, if you don’t want it, you don’t have to buy it at all, no one is forcing you, except yourself in your mind
I second this, his reviews are terrible, he has 0 clue what he’s on about and fills his reviews with stuff that’s not even relevant to the title of the video, stay away indeed
lol that’s funny, If you actually watch his stuff then you’ll see how very similar the scripts are for every video
Don't let it affect your mood, Vern. These forums are as they are - unmoderated (only intervening when escalating). You have a dozen threads on the same topic here. It starts with a speculation thread on DLC xy. Then an announcement. Then the Dovetail Live Article thread which spawns discussion, then the Feedback thread plus numerous technical reports. Rail-Sim.de is the opposite, a strictly moderated forum where it's easy to find what you are looking for. Speculation/Announcement thread on DLC xy, which gets closed as soon as the DLC is released and redirected to the post release thread. Also, technical reports have subforums per DLC. New threads must be approved by a mod. The DTG forums are a complete mess, but nevertheless funny. More chat than forum. People overestimate the impact they have on DTG's decisions. For me, the TSW forums are just pop corn entertainment.
In this case we've got profit, but no improvement, the opposite in fact. How is it incorrect? You can't just say "incorrect" without any valid counter and expect anyone to take you seriously.
Like the others said below you he is entertaining and not a DTG crawler. He is being honest if you don't see DTG as lazy something is wrong with you. You might as well cough up the $40 of your hard money and throw it at DTG because most of us can't. The world is hard to live in now everything is expensive and DTG not doing their part especially to the loyal player is disgusting and greedy. I have been hoping and praying that another company can make a Train Sim game to finally compete with this greedy company. Hopefully it happens soon. Because we are on the 4th TSW game and DTG is still scummy with pricing their DLC way too high and not justifying their cost. Not to mention the bias they seem to have towards U.S content. TrainspotterfromTuranga is a good guy and speaks his mind and is harsh to justify the soft nature of the DTG crawlers. He knows his content and not afraid to speak his mind. We need more people like him reviewing TSW content if we want to see any sort of change with this greedy company. Unfortunately the smaller Youtubers seem to have better content at least to be vs the bigger ones which like to crawl for money and say things that they would not otherwise say if being payed to do. But I diagress and will end my rant here and go back to TSW 5 (sadly idk why we are at the 5th dang game)
Right so if any of us don't think dtg is lazy that automatically means there's something wrong with us? Yeah sure ok...
No he is not what we need at all. His rants are insufferable, same with that other Aussie one, both can be as bad as each other. In fairness the Aussie has also made some decent content which I respect but always ended up with one of his rants. What we need is more people who will provide constructive feedback and be more level headed rather than going on strain of verbal nonsense, spitting fire. Can almost guarantee that no one in DTG will watch or take notice of their videos due to the nature of them.
