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Tsw: Thornaby Thrash

Discussion in 'Dovetail Live Article Discussion' started by TrainSim-James, May 7, 2019.

  1. raildan

    raildan Well-Known Member

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    Ah, ok. Very informative. Still no sign of 3 car units, and it seems a lot easier to find pictures of the 143 on the route, suggesting that while the 101's were still in service, they weren't all that common.

    Thanks for the info!
     
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  2. raildan

    raildan Well-Known Member

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    Guys- just made an interesting discovery. I just discovered two additional imagesa that were not included in the article. I noticed that, in the file names of the images, "0007" was skipped. So I went to the direct address of the image (right click -> open image in new tab) and changed the number at the end to 0007. Lo and behold, some more 37's:
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    But that wasn't all- out of curiosity, I also tried "0009" and yes, I did get a result:
    [​IMG]

    So, why are these two pictures hidden? I don't know, they don't really contain any extra information as far as I can tell. It's entirely likely they just thought it was too many images for the article or just forgot about them. The last one could have been left out to avoid any confusion that this route might have gone up to Bishop Auckland. Am I completely convinced? Of course not. I would analyze the heck out of these, but I don't have the time right now, so oh well. Maybe picture 7 is on the other side of the river? It would be interesting if they included that area, kind of like MSB.
     
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  3. raildan

    raildan Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I almost forgot- here are some downloaded copies of the files in case they take them down.
    TVL_0007.jpg TVL_0009.jpg
     
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  4. theorganist

    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    I have delved into my 1989 Ian Allan Platform 5 book which would be correct to the end of 1988.

    Pacerwise Heaton had all the 143's including a few in Tyne and Wear metro yellow livery as well as those in Provincial two tone blue and a few 142's in WR Chocolate and Cream which would have been the batch banished from Devon and Cornwall due to the wheel flange wear (and noise IIRC) on the branchlines around there.

    On the first generation DMU front it states the only the class 108 twin sets retained fixed formations. However whilst there are some class 101 driving motor vehicles allocated to Heaton I cannot see one trailer vehicle (centre carriage) in fact by then many centre carriages were being withdrawn, especially in areas where first generation DMU's were running along side second generation stock to help them maintain the timings of the new stock. In the West Midlands we still had three and four coach DMU's into the early 90's the latter were very slow climbing Old Hill bank and I remember a driver saying to me you definitely knew when you had a set with one engine not functioning!

    So really DTG do have it the wrong way round. In 1983 on NTP three carriage sets would have been more common (alongside two carriage sets) but in 1989 it appears you would not have seen a three carriage class 101 on the TVL but probably Pacers alongside class 101's and presumably class 108's (nudge nudge wink wink DTG)!

    Hopefully one day (for those of us who like to be as accurate as possible) we can address this in the editor unless DTG do so themselves.
     
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  5. ASRGT

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    I personal just find some of there choices around LODs & Tree usage on MSB for example when compared with RSN to be going backwards, its more that they become noticeable enough when driving that i look at it and go wow those trees are bad. That for me is just a bit immersion breaking.
    Totally agree however the routes are well detailed for the most part however stations i would have thought to be as much a hero piece as the locos them selves and that pic .. sure work in progress and all that, but Darlington just looks flat and very basic on the left hand side to me especially where the roof join is, Or if you compare the tower ? sorry not sure what its called..to any reference picture the in-game representation is just a pyramid ..

    Example:
    CaptureDarlington_ingame.PNG CaptureDarlington1.PNG



    Yes i am nit picking :P
     
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  6. Tomas9970

    Tomas9970 Well-Known Member

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    Picture 7 looks like Thornaby yard because of that giant light pole that isn't anywhere else. Picture 9 looks like their attempt to add trains with destinations that are not on the map to make things seem more alive.
     
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  7. KiwiLE

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    A massive thanks for the "Spoiler" cover up. Is that an option with images only?
     
  8. raildan

    raildan Well-Known Member

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    Nope- text also. Just didn't occur to me before that people might actually view these things as spoilers until you mentioned it a bit earlier.
     
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  9. raildan

    raildan Well-Known Member

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    Well, like I said, I can see the problems with Darlington Station... and with MSB vs. earlier routes, I feel like quality hasn't gone down, per se, just shifted from the trees to the trackside detail. But IDK about that.
     
  10. Shukal

    Shukal Well-Known Member

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    There were some hidden screenshots of the Class 52 which weren't used in it's article too. We usually just post these hidden ones in the news section on discord regardless.
     
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  11. KiwiLE

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    May well make a new thread on not spoiling new DTG content..would be really nice.
     
  12. Cheesypuff2

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    your definition of spoilers is ridiculous
     
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  13. KiwiLE

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    No, it's more the fact that "Spoiler" was on the images, excellent...and not even my doing...so the DTG server being ridiculous!
     
  14. londonmidland

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    Hello, do you have the full size, non zoomed version of this image? Thanks.
     
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    Darlington_railway_station_MMB_26.jpg Darlington_railway_station_MMB_28_220023.jpg
     
  16. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Probably nothing more than a sunday service to the seaside. "ice cream sundae" and "sunday" making the pun
     
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  17. Cheesypuff2

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    agreed thats a 101 scenario pretty sure
     
  18. ARuscoe

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    Oh ok
     
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  20. TinTin_57

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    Would have been nice to just know the release date. That would have been a nice start to the weekend
     
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  21. davejc64

    davejc64 Active Member

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    Lets be honest that's hardly going to be the problem with TSW at the moment is it, you will either have the dependencies or you don't, as there is not that much available at the moment also to avoid having to search for stuff you dont have you can of course make your own scenarios anyway. ;)
     
  22. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    If you pay for something and it comes with scenarios I kind of want them to work... Everyone shouts at DTG for the constant money flywheel but not the others who do exactly the same
     
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  23. davejc64

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    Who mentioned having to pay for scenarios all I meant was the editor being available would give new/existing routes and loco dlc extra value in a sense since people could make more use of them.
     
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  24. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    Me.
    But as usual this is a huge derail
     
  25. davejc64

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    Indeed.
     
  26. docsnyder1911

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    I hope there will be delivery action like in the aggregate industries scenario on GWE. (And hopefully not only one scenario).

    It will be so nice to deliver the coal to the steel plants and to drive heavy loaded steel products trains away from the steel plants.

    And the humming noise from the diesel engine of the class 37 I will like so much.
     
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  27. Rob39

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    I hope the unloading/loading aspects are part of service mode instead of any scenario to be honest. It would be great to shunt, load, drive, unload and return continuously.
     
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  28. theorganist

    theorganist Well-Known Member

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    Yes that is what I am wondering. Hope the freight services in service mode aren't literally just pick up a engine and wagons in the siding and take them to the other end of the line. I am very interested to see what part the 08 shunter will play in service mode.
     
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  29. Crochunter1970

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    Are we looking at the next week or two for this to be released?
     
  30. ARuscoe

    ARuscoe Well-Known Member

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    No release date that I have seen as yet
     
  31. LTEcactus

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    I imagine soon, but probably not this week.
    Probably a week on Thursday
     
  32. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    Looks like there will be something for everyone: freight hauling, shunting, and passenger service. How long do I have to save up some dough ofr this promising gem?
     
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  33. Irascible_SAP

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    As a native of Darlington, I really hope that the "3 Spires" of Darlington (Banktop Station clock, St Cuthbert's Church, & Darlington's famous Victorian Market Clock) are going to be depicted. They have not been depicted on any route containing D/ton in TS2019 which is disappointing because those 3 spires plus the horrible eyesore 1970's skyscraper on Northgate roundabout, are the first things you see/recognise IRL as you approach Darlington on the train, especially from the south. So it would be a really lovely surprise to see them depicted in this route :)

    I also am disappointed that the pacer will not be included, as the class 101 was long gone from the Bishop Auckland - Saltburn service by the time 1989 rolled around.
    I'm no expert, but to my own personal memory, 2 car pacer units (142's) had been serving that diagram for years at that point I don't ever remember seeing a 101 when we used to go to Redcar for the day.
    However I can easily be appeased by someone official saying "we do plan on giving you a class 142, but its not ready so here's the 101 to tide you over in the meantime..." ;)

    But please, do the 3 spires! (pretty please? cherry on top?)
     
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  34. theorganist

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    I don't know Darlington but I certainly hope those three landmarks are there. There does appear to be some photographic evidence to suggest it wasn't impossible to see a class 101 on that route in 1989 albeit likely very rarely, maybe on a Pacer substitution.

    I remember a article (Motive Power Monthly or Rail magaine) from around then entitled "Rusty but Trusty" it was an article about how BR's 30 year old DMU fleet was getting BR Provincial sector out of trouble when the second generation Pacers and Sprinters were having reliability problems.
     
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  35. UnlimitedMagic

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    Exactly
    But I think the route will still be good
     
  36. rhysdabeast0011

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    Wouldn't be surprised if they add the 142 as another dlc.
     
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  37. Rail Master

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    Paid Loco, until release the game? We have a reused class 101 and a modified 09 by SimuGraph and finally a new class 37? Please, we need a Pacer in the base route with 43 km!
     
  38. LastTrainToClarksville

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    The original route, CSX, includes two working loaders, but only one of them appeared in a scenario; we can hope for loading/unloading possibilities and also some shunting (ahem! TSW creators!); otherwise, we'll have to wait for the editor to come along. I fully agree that activities such as shunting and loading far outstrip simple passenger or freight, even those freight activities that begin or end with a coupling maneuver. Fingers crossed!!!
     
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  39. LastTrainToClarksville

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    Clever pun or typo? I'm guessing the latter, since a month's ides fall on the 15th.
     
  40. LastTrainToClarksville

    LastTrainToClarksville Well-Known Member

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    Prefer away, but eventually users propose; Dovetail disposes.
     
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  41. NAYDOG

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    just start telling DTG we'd like historic routes - theyll start pumping out the modern content in no time
     
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  42. FallenAngel00me

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    Actually laughed out loud at this for some reason
     
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