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Tsw: Whistle While You Work

Discussion in 'Dovetail Live Article Discussion' started by TrainSim-James, May 21, 2019.

  1. Cheesypuff2

    Cheesypuff2 Active Member

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    IMHO if you like british stuff generally you should like it all like i do. Love the old traction not just the modern stuff
     
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  2. theorganist

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    Fair enough if you don't own TS1, but these two routes are making quite a change for those who like the 80's. I wouldn't be surprised if the next UK route is more modern so I am sure you won't have to wait too long!
     
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  3. theorganist

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    Well yes that route recreated on TSW would be a boon, probably for me the climate of TSW. I can imagine watching countless holiday expresses passing along the Dawlish sea wall, you could really recreate train spotting from the 50's if you had something near the variety of loco's which ran on the route. Plus the variety of trains and services to drive from auto coaches on the Brixham branch, pick up goods, stopping trains, expresses going to all parts of the country. All that in service mode would be great. It is certainly my joint favourite route in TS1 and I quite enjoy making scenarios for it despite the despatcher!
     
  4. ARuscoe

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    Unfortunately if DTG hadn't done what they have and made similar era routes and stock you would have one loco or consist per route, and maybe five routes where all you can do is go up, and back. No variety, no other units on the lines.
    One of the things that they should be applauded for is the subsitution system and that additional DLC can be swapped in without major work on the scenario or service itself. That's something that isn't possible in TSx, but will be the norm for TSW

    Yes, we are waiting for US routes, waiting for modern british, waiting for steam...
    IN TSx we don't have every major rail terminal in London modelled, let alone cross-era. So it will take time, and it will likely take more than just DTG, but I would put money on that it WILL come.
     
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  5. JJTimothy

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    Any chance that there'll be a Class 40 dolled up in green as D200?
     
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  6. Shukal

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    I expect exactly that. Modern multiple units are expensive and time-consuming to make, so I wouldn't expect much more than one new type being included in a modern route.Just look at RT, LIRR or MSB. Rest will come later as loco DLC most likely.
     
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  7. theorganist

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    There could be a twin green class 40 pack D200 and 40106. 40106 was withdrawn in BR green in 1983 and was never painted in BR blue. In fact when it was overhauled in the late 70's it was repainted into green by Crewe works.
     
  8. Rob39

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    In reference to the HST. Whilst they were rare on the trans pennine, they were on there, (specials or emergency cover) I wouldnt expect them in player service mode. Apart from AI slots at Leeds, and maybe a scenario or 2 being part of the pack.
    Ie if you have NTP but no HST pack either a 47 passenger covers or no train at all(whichevers easier). Same on TVL at Darlington on the ECML platforms.
    With regards to using them. It would be more of a cross route DLC over any specific one. So a standalone HST pack. Carrying every livery that DTG can get hold of. So from 1978-2006 pre MTU. Not only could we see them in AI traffic on current routes, but by the time its released, the editor may be in full swing. This would give creators something to work with.
     
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  9. Rail Master

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    So, we won’t pay class 08, only class 40, right?
     
  10. Rob39

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    7CD51806-DF3D-4C3F-B4B8-ABFCB4FD56AC.jpeg All as one pack 08, 40 and freight so wouldn't think so.
    Is NTP van the same type seen in pic of WSR stock?
     
  11. raildan

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    Source, or is this just based off of those routes?

    Personally I don't see why they'd be any harder to make than an electric loco and a coach, or a DMU of any era, both of which we've seen alongside other rolling stock.
     
  12. Shukal

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    "MattPeddlesden 02/14/2019 timescales mostly. a new loco is quite expensive to build, a multiple unit very expensive. with th level of fidelity in them now, there are noshort cuts, so the team have to get manuals, go on reference trips, learn how it works and then spend ages recreating it - not just the model, but all the systems."

    "MattPeddlesden 03/14/2019 something like the ice 4 is a huge amount of work to be honest. particularly in tsw - it's not just an end and a bunch of the same coach - i think it's probably at least 5 different coaches, and when you're modelling interiors too they become a lot more substantial to make."
     
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  13. raildan

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    Huh. That second quote is probably just referring to how to model the ICE 4 in particular you would have to model a bunch of different coaches separately, which wouldn't be a problem for more most emu's where there are only one or two unique variants.

    The first quote though... interesting. He doesn't really explain why, either. Could be that it's just the research effort of a loco and a coach combined, but still interesting.
     
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  14. Shukal

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    I'm just drawing my own conclusions based on these statements. DTG haven't said anything of that sort, but the DLCs that we already got don't make me hopeful that we'll get much more at $29.99/£24.99/29,99€ .
     
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  15. Rob39

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    Not to mention having to work with the train operating companies. Although TSW’s been seemingly quite successful with DB.
     
  16. NAYDOG

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    Yeah the issue of licensing has begun to rear its head - don't draw any conclusions obviously but I do think people will begin to question if they're struggling to get any soon. The lack of any real UK TOCs aside from GWR (who's TS license expires this year) makes you wonder sometimes If TOCs just aren't bothered about working with DTG
     
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  17. Cheesypuff2

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    if thats the case its a shame but it is what is i, DTG cant force TOCs to agree, they may just have to do unbranded things instead
     
  18. Rob39

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    DTG and PC can build the routes scenarios and stock. Repaints and logos for all platforms. It can be done via USB and a detailed edit interface.
     
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  19. Shukal

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    Indeed. For German content you do not necessarily need more than a DB license and historic British stuff is unproblematic as well. America and the modern UK are very different in that regard though.

    The editor PC users will get is just a (heavily) modified UE4 editor, DTG won't actually implement anything ingame. Something like this would have to be created from scratch.
     
  20. LastTrainToClarksville

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    Next time, please start your own thread.
     
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  21. LastTrainToClarksville

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    Good news indeed -- like many others, I've been waiting for this announcement since freight service was promised when the route debuted. The announcement includes, "The BR Class 08 was the ‘go to’ locomotive for general purpose duties, with almost any shunting required in yards and at stations carried out by a ‘Gronk’ (again, named for their noise). Over a ten-year period from 1952, almost 1,000 models were built at British Railways’ Derby, Crewe, Darlington, Doncaster and Horwich Works, making it the most numerous of all BR classes" (my emphasis). Does this indicate that some shunting scenarios or services will be included? For that matter, does this route include any yards?
     
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  22. NAYDOG

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    NTP contains the red hill area, Newton heath, a yard near Huddersfield and a yard at Leeds too, so 4 potential areas.
     
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  23. ARuscoe

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    From Wikipaedia -
    "The Class 700/0 units are formed of DMCO-PTSO-MSO-TSO-TSO-MSO-PTSO-DMCO"
    "Class 700/1 units are formed of DMCO-PTSO-MSO-MSO-TSO-TSO-TSO-TSO-MSO-MSO-PTSO-DMCO"

    So each consist has four different car types, and if each has the same internal layout and exterior paintwork you would still need to create four units and join them up in the right order. It could be up to 9 different cars for whatever reason, so it's not just a case of one or two unique variants, there could be quite a few more
     
  24. Jpantera

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    Music to my ears that the 40 will sub for the 47/45 on occasion. One of the big plus points of Service mode is that you can leave the driving to the computer. Sit back in the front coach or get camera 3 to a heads out behind the loco and enjoy the thrash with a cold beer or some pizza or both! To me personally there's a whole lot more to the railway than driving and this simulation opens up that extra element of simply being on the platform or the train. I do of course enjoy the driving elements and without them it wouldn't sell but if NTP got a further multiple unit type or two and a couple more loco types such as 37/0 and 25 or a 56 then it's set for pretty much being completely as it was in the early 80s.

    What's looking good is the cross use of units/locos from other DLC the 101 and 08 which can cover years of operations.

    What I like is the more random stuff generated by the AI as opposed to it being in a scenario which is hand built and if you have created it yourself then you already know what's happening.....
     
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  25. Jez

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    You going to have a flail?! There's an idea. AI bashers and spotters with a flail sim add on. A "Gricer" pack.
     
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  26. theorganist

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    Yes I totally agree with this. With a few more items of DLC you really could get lost in the past, trainspotting in the early 80'a. I like driving but find I spend nearly as much time riding and train spotting.
     
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  27. Scorpion71

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    Indeed! The sim has so much potential, I mean, imagine in the future being able to do guard duties, being able to walk into a signal box and taking over control of the signals.....

    I really do hope they do implement PIS on station monitors with station and on board announcements in the near future and able to have it on our current routes too

    The sim is really starting to come on now, hopefully the steam fans will get their kettle in the not too distant future!
     
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    https://twitter.com/railsimulator/status/1135556500137676800?s=09

    Totally called it!
     
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    Hopefully, this DLC will be the best thing to happen to TSW yet. Yes, well done raildan, although probably digging a bit too hard though tbh...
     
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    Yeah, probably. Believe it or not, I like "digging deep" into that kind of thing, and do it all the time when I'm bored. Yes, I know I'm crazy, lol.
     
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    Any ideas on the price?
     
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    No, not really. We haven't really seen a pack like this before in TSW. Maybe it will be the same price as a loco pack, maybe a bit higher. IDK
     
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    Nice call raildan

    Looking fwd to this, just hope its not only so much as 'carry cars from Leeds to Manc or carry cars from Manc to Leeds'
     
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    Well, there's an 08 in the pack, so I'm assuming there's at least some switching...
     
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    I am guessing somewhere between 11.99 - 14.99 as mentioned earlier.
    I wonder how many scenarios and services will be included?
     
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    Can't wait for this. Excellent news! Looking forward to some shunting!

    Alan
     
  37. claire.brown1604

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    6th June it releases
     
  38. Ninetofive925

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    Released on D-Day then.

    D-Day meaning Diesel-day of course
     
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    Looking forward to it, was hoping it would pop out last week as my shifts were better, never mind shall have a dabble anyhow on Thursday.
     
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    Raildan dig up some US info lol
     
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  41. raildan

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    I wish, lol
     
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    £11.99 according to a reply on the twitter post
     
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    Its stag do season. So yes great price!
     
  46. SHINO BAZ

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    Is this the uk price or usa price?
     
  47. raildan

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    UK, US is $19.99
     
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  48. FallenAngel00me

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    Awesome. Will be deffo picking this up
     
  49. Dave Mel

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    why are they announcing releases on twitter they also did this with TVL. are the forums not good enough now for letting us know when they are releasing stuff. for information i do not have or use twitter.
     
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    I agree 100% with you Dave. This is their forum. Why not announce their releases here to?

    Alan
     
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