Well it would as it states Flying Scotsman Centenary edition Which was a separate DLC bundle of the Flyinging Scotsman sold on Steam. This could mean one of two possibilities. That the Flying Scotsman is coming to TSW 3 (or the next re iteration of said Franchise) as loco DLC but for what route?, It wont be Brighton Mainline or Southeastern Highspeed. That its part of planned DLC for an as of yet unnamed UK route for TSW 4 "The Pink Polka Dot with Red white and blue Stripes edition" Much to how the RHTT + 66, ROG 37 was to SEHS or the Dispolok 182 was for Kassell Wurzburg and the other BNSF loco was to Cajon Pass. So would this UK route for the above named next re iteration of TSW >insert funny name here< be a modern day Eastcoast Mainline? Hentis
Hopefully modern with the Class 800. It's used on so many modern UK routes these days that it makes sense to get it made and in the game for future content.
Very true. Although when it refers to centenary the steam locomotive is having its centenary year and theres been a lot of stuff around it so that would be the basket my eggs were in personally.
They know players looks at this stuff. If they wanted to stop people looking at this stuff and discussing future content they could just name them a string of numbers or something completely different?
Tbh DTg prob like some speculation that gets people talking about their games. They just don't like when their big plans get spoiled to much! Still enjoying the conversation and ideas though. As we saw with the training centre reveal, not all may be as it seems
I think their wanted people to find this stuff think about that i wouldn't be surprised if their want this to be like this in end up im sticking what i said would rather things fixed than big new releases thst will once again muck things about
Oh please... This information is clearly in the public domain so aim your misplaced ire at DTG or their commercial partners for putting it in a digestible form. And I suspect that DTG tacitly don't have too much of an issue. It keeps interest alive while their own information machine is waiting in the wings. They can immediately gauge reaction on the forum and other media, maybe even making some last minute changes (unlikely I admit) to the final customer experience. Besides, all we've had is a vague reference to "Smithfield" and an ambiguous Flying Scotsman, even less to go on than JT have teased about their route.
ECML is for me a very good point for a further DLC or include in the summer update... They create a Class 700 with pantographs so if you don't plan any further routes for this train why they create this train in this state? A lot of work for only scenario editor?! I don't think so!
It's possible, but I would say that 'Flying Scotsman' is a heavily protected name by the NRM and their branding is made extremely clear on the TSC pack of a similar name: I do think the most likely outcome is some variety of ECML South, possibly including the Thameslink Core as far as Blackfriars if you take the Smithfield code name to mean anything at all, with FS coming as an optional loco as part of a 'deluxe' pack. Personally think it's pretty well thought out if so - ECML offers lots of opportunity for future expansion (loco and gameplay DLCs) so it would I think fill Matt's aspiration of digging another 'deep hole' similar to SEHS. Flying Scotsman will sell like hot cakes too and probably subsidise the making of other, less obvious DLC in the future.
I'm surprised the actually went for ECML and not MML. I guess I was wrong. It would seemed the had everything needed for the MML south. I suspect ATS was behind the scenes for the last year working on it. The question is what locos would be included to make this actually work. We don't want to see another empty station
You and me both. Was convinced it would be MML, mainly due to practical length and location of station calls for long distance services, compared to ECML where you are really committed to doing Peterborough in that case. Maybe they really have had a team beavering away on Blackfriars/KGX to Posh which is why we ended up with PFR only going to Ambergate and the Glossop mini route.
If it is to be the ECML, I hope it does go to Peterborough and not end somewhere like Stevenage or Hitchin. It would be one of the longest routes in the sim if it goes to Peterborough with some quite intense townscapes to model.
*If* it's ECML, I think the 'new' loco would be an LNER 80x as they're by far the most common that we're currently missing. The 700 and 387 already exist (subclasses wouldn't be a very big change for either of these). LNER license is owned by DfT as far as I'm aware so should be easy to acquire. Strong opportunities for DLC: LNER Class 91 + DVT (very much in demand as you can see here) Lumo Class 803 Hull Trains Class 802 Grand Central Class 180 Great Northern Class 717 (if extensions can be made to work, then the Moorgate line and Hertfood Loop would be the cherry on the cake with this) Also possibilities for more steam traction as rail tours - not only FS but also perhaps Blue Peter, one or many A4s etc. not to mention the Deltic. And then finally perhaps another UK freight locomotive (long overdue!).
The only thing is... DTG have no Licences for LNER right?! So if they didn't have its useless to create this route in modern time....
The Smithfield entries have been up there for probably six weeks or so. I check in on it from time to time - I think the database contents were first discovered when it leaked the 700/0, Blackpool and some other stuff not long after the Festival of Rail announcements. DTG are absolutely aware that we look at it (and have been for months) so if they wanted to hide stuff, they could put everything under codenames or numbers (eg. we had a couple that were just labelled DLC99 and DLC100). I'd have no problem with that by the way but I find the speculation to be a little bit of fun.
LNER license is owned by the Department for Transport which has had no issue licensing their other operators to DTG - Northern, EMT and even British Rail I think all fall under this category.
I think there was one C-B which did we ever find out what it was? There was speculation it could be Cardiff to Bristol or Crewe to Birmingham. Probably irrelevant now anyway.
To be honest and have been driving both the MML south and the ATS peterborough/ Cambridge/ Ely? King's lynn route alot lately and the best part of the ECML part in my opinion is up to Hitchin and towards Cambridge. The MML drives feels better and as someone mentioned stations are evenly spread. I like the drive towards St Pancras with the M1 motorway on the side. But if ATS heavily involved on the ECML route then i'm sure we will get an amazing route
Thats a great addition to the game if it works like this! I love the trains from LNER and the colours!
Well I'm massively hyped for the ECML now, KX to Peterborough hopefully, or even KX to Cambridge. Would be a huge headliner for the sim, I think we've been all been waiting for a route like this for years now. Fingers crossed it comes true.
Yes the name "Flying Scotsman" but not the route itself. I think that the name of the route come from the A3 but I may be wrong.
Other way round: In 1924, the LNER officially renamed the 10:00 Special Scotch Express linking Edinburgh and London in both directions as Flying Scotsman, its unofficial name since the 1870s. To further publicise the train, a recently built A1 Class locomotive – at first numbered 1472 and, subsequently, 4472 – was named after the service and put on display at the 1924 British Empire Exhibition.
What about the HST as well. Although there will be half a dozen reskin's by now of various HST's in various liveries that ran on the ECML. If this is also right that the ECML is in fact the UK route for the new 2023 TSW "Golden Balls edition"* summer release then perhaps a Deltic* would be in the offing for DLC also down the line. * This is from me pure speculation as I have no idea what the release is called , if there is one et etc etc Hentis
This have nothing with "leaks" to do but more scraping from the internet! In simplified terms... Searching on the internet to get information! Or data analysis!
What are the chances if the 700/1 is included on the 3 summer release routes that the BML would get the updated *new core treatment to get the 700/1 in the updated London commuter route
This train is not the point but the route is sometimes unstable so DTG have made the decision to cancel the plan! They have try it but it was to unstable
I think they always was talking on TSW3. They couldn't mention anything for TSW4 since it doesn't exist yet
TSW4 is going to be the same for engine limitations. As long as we have Generation 8 attached, we're not going to see anything happen to BML due to memory issues. Since Gen 8 still makes up nearly a third of DTG's business for TSW, they aren't going away anytime soon sadly.
If everything is right in the scrapers information in post 1 Gen8 is removed in the next update! For me its possible! Gen8 is at the moment 13 years old!
with TSW4 they might be able to have two separate timetables as it was just done to SEHS. So I believe might be possible
Would be surprised since I’ve heard DTG say BML was fragile considering they’re unable to fix minor details at Redhill.
BML seems to be the patched-together ming vase of TSW - it was a difficult, delayed release and then updates have been very few and far between since release despite some major issues. Even the light baking issue with the 377 cab is still not fixed despite it being picked up in the preview streams. It looks like DTG doesn't want to touch it at all for fear of breaking it completely - perhaps this might change if the dispatcher gets a big core update or if memory allocation/usage in TSW4 (or whatever) gets refined a bit.
It's better two know early because we have had no news on what the summer release is gonna be, plus seeing as it's been leaked my guess is that there will be an other TSW 3 like countdown stream or a spring summit type live stream.
Matt said in a post about a week ago they weren't going to remove Gen8 anytime soon. Which makes sense considering it's a third of their business.
Another interesting thing to note is that SEHS in its latest 'complete' state has almost as many services as BML (1416 vs 1454), has 10 playable locos compared to 6 for BML, and is 40 miles longer than BML. Yet SEHS has had substantially more updates and DLC than BML, which suggests to me that SEHS is a fundamentally much more stable and memory-optimised route. So it *can* be done, if the route is built using the latest methods, but unravelling whatever was done with BML in the first place is probably much harder. EDIT: In the interest of accuracy, I've ballsed up the number of services - SEHS actually has 710 services on the full timetable, I've counted both the full and reduced timetables together by accident.
i don't think they are going to remove Gen 8's but I think going forward we will have a reduce and full time tables set up for Gen
They did just try to reduce the timetable on SEHS for Gen 8. So maybe the service ammount is nearing it's peak there, and 1454 is over it.
If i have the information correct... MS is planning to stop support for Gen8 soon or is already there.... So If DTG is planning to create further it could be possible that this support thing is an issue for further DLCs but thats not confirmed anywere but more a question for me....
