Upcoming Release Tsw5 First Look - West Coast Main Line

The random bright carraige in amongst shaded ones is very jaring. It appears the carraiges are working on a binary flag, "am I in shade: Yes/No". Some sunlight shines on a particular part of the carraige and suddenly the game decides the whole carraige is in sunshine? Surely that's not how shadows are meant to work.

 

Which is funny because they did say that they would improve passengers for the summer core update and I think the thread I created had something to do with that

I guess my thread didn't do much after all
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/passenger-behavior-in-tsw-needs-to-be-addressed.81209/

 

No problem Marc!

 

Everything falls on deaf ears with DTG. They say they listen to player feedback, but there is very little evidence of this. DTG will do what DTG wants to do and us lowly players, who pay good money for quality, will have to just make do with what they can be bothered to give us / get away with.

 

I still can’t believe that they had a launch video 10 days ago where they announced all new locos will come with the new suspension and then announce that the loco of the flagship UK route doesn’t come with suspension at launch.

I’m sorry but these are the practices of a company that has absolutely no respect for their customers.

 

Unfortunately, where DTG is concerned, you don’t need to be psychic to know that something will go wrong. They’re incapable of doing anything without some sort of problem.

 

What a shambles.

 

The buck ultimately stops with him being Executive Producer, but I don’t think he cares whether players have a problem with the route. He seems to be of the opinion you either like it or lump it and has more or less said this, if not outright said it, on live streams in the past.

 

Passengers need to be reworked from the ground-up tbh- they've never really worked correctly.

 

This is honestly the one that sticks in my craw as well. This is a feature that really adds to immersion IMO, and it's mind blowing to me how they've messed it up so badly.

 

I noticed this as well, it looks especially horrible when trains go into tunnels.

 

Also, shadows as a whole are completely wrong, the line between light & dark should fade if the object is further away, but in game it doesn't, which is why Euston looks a bit messy.

 

People jumping to conclusions again. If you take the time to actually look at the timetable in this snap in detail, you can clearly see that its WIP, because there are duplicated and non-sequential headcodes. Whether it will change for release or not I couldn't say, but it is quite obviously started and not finished yet because the top of the screen shows three sequential WJ-LE services, then three sequential LE-WJ services, indicating three train sets running this sequence. One assumes when the additional train sets are added to the timetable, they will populate accordingly

 

Sorry but two weeks before release the timetable should be complete, tested and ready to roll. If not, then the stream should have been postponed until the release candidate was available.

People should stop trying to make excuses for DTG's ongoing amateur and "just in time" efforts.

 

I wasn't debating whether it should or shouldn't be complete by this point, simply pointing out that its clearly WIP with three trainsets. I don't know how many are needed for 15 min frequency, perhaps 6?

As to the build question earlier, it was stated by Matt on the stream that it wasn't the latest build explicitly, and was several versions behind the bleeding edge. Perhaps the bleeding edge builds still have the LNWR logo in, and a "special" build was pieced together for the stream. Should they have chosen another? Perhaps. The station lighting and the tunnel flashes certainly seem to me like it wasn't a current build, and even with my normally lenient standards would find the tunnel flashes very disappointing in an end product. All we can hope is that it really was an earlier build with WIP timetable and disco tunnels

 

The worrying thing is that last year they mentioned the order in which the routes were streamed was based on which was closest to being finished, if they've done the same this year that doesn't bode well for the US and German routes.

 

They won’t. Similar problems have happened before without delays. I think the last time there were delays were with Rush Hour (before Focus took them over) when route releases were staggered. Mind you, then there were complaints on the forums about the delays. The decision isn’t DTG developers’ to make. It is the bean counters. A release date has been set. That release date will be adhered to.

 

At least with Rush Hour they made something like a season pass instead of bringing all routes rushed at once. We still got one of the best ever TSW routes from this pack which is DRA.

 

Not just missing license but synthetic 390 sounds. A train and operator that big deserve to have actual sounds and we deserve it to. But yes, delay the release or put it on the shelf until we get a license. Its a game finished game being sold at full price. If they made a game every 2 years these mistakes wont happen.

 

They would happen every other year, instead of the current yearly occurrence.

 

even after my multi-paragraph rant, i could do a whole other essay on other issues. For me personally the only thing i care about is:
390 traction motor/in motion real sounds instead of synthetic.
350 traction motor/in motion really quiet.
LNWR Branding. Feels like you havent even tried to negotiate or come to terms with the company, or even look at other options like LM.

 

The license was revoked last minute for an undisclosed reason.

 

Pretty sure they never had it in the first place but thought they did bc of a misunderstanding.

 

Armstrong probably said no or the soundset is just so old it's not compatible for tsw

 

They couldn't source running sounds. You would rather have no 390?

 

Apparently Armstrong were charging tones for DTG to use the sounds like 2 legs basically. Which ain’t great at all from AP.

 

They can. Just at the date of recording they couldn't, im sure if they had patience avanti would find time.

 

I very much doubt they developed the route, the trains for the route, without talking to the companies involved first. They want to make money, not spend it on something they can't sell.

 

There's tons of other UK routes

 

Oh will you stop coming into every thread and making excuses for them. As always, before they plan these projects they should be checking access and availability. It doesn’t seem to inhibit getting correct sounds in other sims and has been pointed out AP have 390 sounds available which they could have bought in. These products are not cheap and I get tired of DTG excuses and those who constantly excuse them.

 

I agree , thought this was very jarring from an emersion prospective,can't expect it to be as busy as real life,but would like to see alot more people wandering about,also they need to fix the station lighting what's that all about?

 

Far too much emphasis being put into this matter. Licensing is a difficult subject even in the best situations. Some of the TOCs own multiple brands and a licence agreement doesn't necessarily cover all of these brands. Take First Group for example. They allowed GWR in the beginning on the proviso that only the GWR green livery was to be used, omitting the older FGW brand, which they were attempting to leave behind. However First are also the majority holders of SWR and Avanti West Coast amongst others but SWR is not a granted licence and Avanti is. Until we are told, if we are told why, this is a commercial matter between DTG and LNWR. If we all behave with patience and consideration, we are far more likely, although not guaranteed, to see a licence granted in the future. At least we still get the real trains for the real routes in the meantime, which is far more important than exactly who owns what.

 

Now to be fair, without repeating word for word what I just posted in the Not Good Enough thread , after watching a bit of the stream it didn’t look quite as bad as I feared. Yes there are many issues but probably on a par with the rest of the “average” content. So I genuinely need to think about whether I reinstate my Deluxe purchase, given this only represents about 30% of the overall package.

 

Just playing the game and leaking upcoming content.
You actually expect anyone to do a job properly these days.

 

Yes, but DTG can't just make a new route with the snap of a finger, can they?
So therefore there wouldn't be a new core UK route, not unless they delayed release but that would be a very long delay.

By all means; If you want, you could always have a try at making your own route, see how far you get before the game releases?

 

Might be a bit harsh. I think he does care but his hands maybe somewhat tied by time & money to a degree. I do think however that most of the routes we see in game are because he either has a connection to them (Goblin, SEHS) or they are just faves of his. Indeed, I have watched many a stream where he says ‘this is my favourite [insert; loco, route, etc].

 

Absolutely shocking!
GFX poor
Timetable poor
Constant babbling over gameplay
Community Manager who knew nothing about the route in all reality.
Such a shame as this was supposed to be UK showcase!

 

Yes, something must have happened…..they saw a build! Lol

 

I'm sure the testers point out the issues but it's up to dtg to prioritize and fix them. The wcml leak also put the beta team on hold so that meant they couldn't review it

 

i am pretty sure that in real life, some 710's terminate at wilesden junction

 

If it was pulled by WMR/LNW at the last minute then DTG can’t be blamed at all and are too far down tbe line to not sell it.

If they have designed a route based on assumption then it’s pretty ridiculous and a startling revelation of how poor the project management is, not just for a new DLC, but a flagship route for a new game.

Unlikely we will ever find out which one is true. I really hope it is the first one.

 

Basically what Rivet did with Fife Circle Line. Made all these promises after the stream.
Lol nothing has been delivered that was promised from Rivet. The fake promises made me buy Fife Circle and now I regret it because it is the worst route in my Collection in my opinion.

 

They can. Just at the date of recording they couldn't, im sure if they had patience avanti would find time. If they made the game kver a hear instead of rushing it in 4months most of these issues wont be a thing.

 

Can we not make the branding in the livery maker?

 

Good points on the timetable. I hope this is true and the end version has complete services.

Graphical/lighting glitches and the odd wonky scenery bits are kind of expected for me at this point, all routes have them. Not a dealbreaker but hope they improve.

The lack of licensing is a bit of a immersion killer to me and really unfortunate, but given how it seems to have happened it’s not a deal breaker either, I hope it eventually gets sorted and added back in.

The suspension thing is hilarious and typical dovetail: headline a feature and then not even have it ready for day 1.

But a half finished timetable, with missing services and big gaps in trains where there should be frequency, that is a deal breaker. If the Overground runs 15 minutes each way in real life, I want it to in the game. Otherwise I will bin this route until if/when it gets fixed.

If this is an unfinished WIP that raises quite a few questions on its own (like how could they not have basically complete timetable less than 2 weeks from release) but I guess we will find out on the 11th.

 

I think if the timings were inconsistent for WDC, for example an 11 minute gap then a 34 minute and so forth, it would certainly be the case that it would be an indication it was "final", but the fact that it has three services at a 15 minute interval, then those three services then make the return trip, is a definite indicator that not all trainsets had been added for the build shown onthe stream. Of course its only speculation either way until it ships

I like the suspension and it is annoying it won't be there day 1 (that said, Im not buying day 1 for other reasons), however I''d rather it was temporarily disabled than be broken leading to service failures (it was stated it was pulled as some of the trains its on were misbehaving, to the point of leaving the track) with a future patch to reinstate it

For me the disco tunnels are the biggest problem. The odd flash in a tunnel I can cope with, but in a short tunnel segment (perhaps no more than 10 seconds inside the tunnel) there were at least 4 or 5 whiteouts in that time, which is far from good. Like you, hoping it gets sorted for those buying day 1 and certainly by the time I buy it

 

for me that’s a big deal just hope they can get the license back

 

i don’t think they knew it must’ve been quite recent that the license was revoked

 

i’m am tho branding is very important i hope they can get it back soon maybe even before release