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No clue where we'd even find that information if it's out there.
I wasn't even thinking about the newbies getting punished while learning, which is a valid point.
I just don't like the bloody things.
Annoying as hell.
Again, it's the "sim vs game" people at odds.
However, it's fine either way if you have the option... but NOT having the option is a terrible idea.
The only purpose is to deny other people their freedom to enjoy the game...at no advantage.
It's silly because while it MIGHT make a difference in multi-player... this is a single player game so you literally don't see anyone else in your game. It has ZERO impact on YOUR gameplay how the other person plays on their computer.

It does however, potentially hurt the bottom line if you scare off new players with the complicated "bells and whistles" being mandatory....

The current system seems to work.... so why change it?

 

Might as well have the game lock you out if you are late too many times.
"Well it's not realistic that you'd be allowed to keep driving a train if you suck at it. Get good!" ;-)

 

As I stated above I believe this may be the case, or in part along with the way everything looks the stream at that time did not look all that well. And I understand some would rather not use the safety systems, I do and don't depending on my mood, at first I did not just to get a handle on how things worked. The LIRR_v2 I can understand why the safety systems were a major part of the contract to obtain the license, considering the climate in NYC be political and the high crime, and yes the events that unfolded on 11/09/2001 and are still very fresh in many minds "mainly the public safety field" which also brings back the1993 WTC Attack.

Having the safety systems being disabled and how to depicted in a game is not what they the "MBTA" wanted in today's climate, yes I know, in the older content that is still there, and that would mean reworking the content and or removing it from the game. That is not what DTG would want to do, at least I don't think so. Can it come down to just the naming and how it's used, it could be? But til DTG makes a full statement we will not know the full truth.

 

I don't have LIRR (I try to stay away from Long Island if at all possible irl), but are you saying that they are afraid people would use TSW to learn to disable safety systems? I'm not sure that's in the game. And that would be only done from the drivers' position if they were.... so that's not really an issue.

This is a WHOLE lotta speculation that hasn't come from any interested sources which sounds like jabberjawing over a lot of scuttlebutt.
It could be as simple as they hired a new PR director at LNER or lawyer that just had an "ick" or knee jerk reaction. Happens at corporate levels all the time. Could be as simple as someone saying "ewww computer and train nerds, we don't wanna work with them."

Without any solid information, it's all just empty gossip.

 

Especially British safety systems which are like the easiest thing on earth to use.

I could see why people might want to avoid PZB or something (it is fun when you learn it though!), but slapping an AWS button every little while is child's play.

 

Yes, that is what I'm saying, in the game via LIRR "NOT v2" you can enable and disable the safety systems, they are disabled by default when you fire up an older LIRR route/scenario.

As for anyone wanting to learn how to do things in a video game, when it comes to planes, trains buses, that are very detailed, keep in mind that those who flew the plains into the WTC towers used real planes to learn how to fly only! And If not mistaken they may have used a SIM game to learn also as did others that I will not go into here it is here as food for thought. Without getting in any deeper with politics, a lot is going on.

This also includes a teenager caught, videotaping himself he set up a video camera then changed the switch on a freight train line and put it on YT, just so he can get the train derailing on video. And another kid broke into a switch box and changed the points thankfully no was reported hurt only to put it on YT.

 

Agreed, it should be a menu option, especially when you start a service in the middle of a journey. Same with not having the lights etc set up. Then again I still can't understand why we still have to open and close doors ourselves, especially on stock with manual doors.

 

The kid didn't need a button on a computer sim.
Seems like a lot of scaremongering to support a supposition based on gossip originally.

 

Tbf, TPWS isn't as straightforward as AWS and the DSD/DVD.

 

No, the kid did not, Sim button to do what he did. Very True. That was simply to point out that transportation agencies and local governments are more likely to require and to ask that some things things not be depicted or shown in any way. And considering what is happening now in NYC and in the past few months, they will be more guarded.

NO, it is not "scaremongering to support a supposition based on gossip" This I state on current events and that is plain to see and what is not seen... I do not live on Gossip, I do not repeat Gossip, and I do not follow Gossip, just like I take DTG at their word, and expect the follow through, Words are just that, Actions speak volumes, as well as Pictures.
:EDIT:
Just like routes that have been broken since TSW2 and the Broken TSW4 scenarios that are TSW4 routes, that statement made to correct these issues, but never were. I now look at the Actons, not the words. I believe it when I see it.

 

I have two thoughts (guesses) on the whole safety systems thing, assuming it's true (big assumption):

1) Perhaps it's not just about dissuading people from stealing a train and going for a spin, it could also be about reassuring the public that if someone did it casually, then the train would eventually stop. Ok, some of us know that it's not quite as simple as that when someone knows what they are doing but there is PR to consider. Imagine those videos on YT of people wildly driving trains, GTA-style, and crashing them into other trains, followed by the horror headlines in the newspapers.....

2) Given the fuss about LIRR v2 and the safety systems being permanently on in that (plus the whole brake pipe discharge thing too), even though they are slightly more difficult than the UK ones, it might have been a compromise too far for DTG given that UK routes are probably their bread and butter, especially in the more casual gaming market (PC or console). Another factor could have been that if they were asked to do it very late, then they might not have had time to think through the consequences, so thought it best to bin the branding and then come back to it later.

As I said, these are guesses based on conjecture!

 

If it is true, it would be along the lines if LNWR not wanting people to intentionally crash their trains in game and have that posted on social media OR for the game to be used as a simulator for their actual 350s and use them incorrectly.

I watched this video () and tbf there does seem to be alot of missing features that would be good to have.

 

Wouldn't NOT being able to turn the systems off make it LESS realistic though, if it's possible irl?
For that matter they could ask for unrealistic "speed governors" so that it's impossible to speed in game because "we don't want to see people driving unsafely in our trains."

Given the way I've seen people drive on stream, that'd be most of the playerbase ;-)

Heck, a lot of the scenarios in game wouldn't be allowed for safety reasons irl. (ex. "Here's a train that is so heavy it can BARELY start in perfect conditions on that hill...so let's start you in the rain with oncoming traffic and if you screw up it screams down the hill and kills everyone... but HAVE FUN!!"

 

Yes, DTG are fairly poor about doing research for and creating realistic scenarios...

 

Gotta have that "challenge" though!
;-)

 

In the preview steam, Matt & Daisy ask for feedback about the driver door control as some buttons are disabled IRL, but they enabled them in the game.

My feedback would absolutely be to keep them enabled as it's a lot more fun to have them there. We don't have to use them, but it's welcome to have the option.

 

There are multiple, very recent reports of kids moving around trains in storage facilities and when they are laid up overnight.

https://www.curbed.com/article/subway-theft-joy-ride-crime-danger.html

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/queens/group-snuck-in-and-operated-subway-train-in-queens-police/


In the interest of safety, certain features were asked to be removed from the sim.

 

While a good find and info, My suggestion is to avoid posting any more of these stories here, it is best to have it in off-topic just my option.

 

After watching videos live streams on YouTube all the things wrong and that I'm deciding to get a refund

 

Its ok, Im still going ahead with purchasing.

 

65 services for the 710

At 8 services per hour irl, that's only an average of 8 hours worth of services. The real timetable is about twice that long. Why so reduced?

 

I know, not ideal but hopefully 1 per 30 minutes in each direction which at least is better than 1 per 90 minutes that we previously thought. Tomorrow will tell us everything.

 

I didn't realize just how much freight moved on the WCML.
Granted some of it's on the line north of what we're getting, but if the main link to the rest of the country (and the Channel line) is Willesden and most of it goes north from there, then that's tens of thousands of intermodal trains a year moving from there up the line past Milton-Keyes. It's not just the occasional run. To be fair, the freight runs should rival the passenger services for volume and scale.
Figure that's a train every 6 minutes on the whole line, so even if it's only a third of that, it's still rivaling the "shuttle every 15 minutes" out of London.

https://rfg.org.uk/rail-freight-west-coast-main-line/

Thankfully I haven't tired of the ol' Shed because she'll be thrashing up and down the line in playable and AI runs it seems!

=-)

 

Errrrrrr isnt it 4 per hour? 1 every 15mins? Idk thats what they TSW YouTubers are saying.

 

You could sit at a station on the WCML between like watford and MC (idk where exactly) and you will usually see 2 a hour or at least around mid day you will see 2-3 a hour.

 

4 trains per hour in each direction both up and down dc lines.
8 trains per hour on the whole line.

 

Ohhhh yhhhhhh that makes sense

 

The test for me is how many people play the game on release and realise it’s so below par that they request a refund? There’s a fair few amongst us who want to give DTG the benefit of the doubt. But if this is really that far below standard it will be a refund request from me.

 

I will take what is offered for FREE and see how and what happens down the road, I have already seen a good handful get the refund already, and some that stated they were going to get the Deluxe have chosen not to do so, time will tell and see. And I am only doing so in this manner to get whatever updates/patches TSW4 has not received as of yet that was promised err stated in a live stream. So if patches/updates are coming to older TSW4 content it is stated to be in the TSW5 release, but even that is to be seen and believed when and if it happens. Because a lot is broken, content from TSW2 like Diesel Legends that is again stated to receive a Re-master with GWR, I will believe it when I see it to the TSW4 content that was created and released with and for TSW4, which has not yet received any patches worth writing home about.

 

Still not seeing any game breaking issues for me.
*shrugs*
Everyone can judge for themselves when it releases.

 

DTG have confirmed the fix of many issues on release. Timetable will stay the same for now but lighting and other stuff will be fixed for release

 

Have found a few erroneous AWS magnets.
Had a 390 crash the sim arriving into Euston (Xbox S)
The 377/2 is appalling. The Watford services spawning at Wembley is disappointing, they could have spawned at West London Jnc.

Stations look good. The artwork is good.

Man it’s quiet. There’s hardly anything running, the timetable is very disappointing.

 

For release i.e. 17th? Can you link to it please - I would like to see what has been fixed. I know there were some post-release patches mentioned but didn't see anything for on release

 

Yeh station should be packed at 7pm and there’s no trains, no passengers. Scenario planner is so buggy, struggle to edit descriptions, scenario doesnt even spawn when you press play.

 

LNWR Branding/Name still in game

 

I appreciate the reply and would have expected a good launch, But looking at the mounting posts of issues, Rail DRiver not working, class 66 with no headlights, and I'm still reading. TSW4 had a better launch than this, The Vectron is being reported with the same Z factor graphics issue from the TSW4 version that was stated as being fixed as I heard, Mods are already being made to help fix signal lighting and this is not even day one.

 

If you own the wcml on the 8th gen consoles the only ai are some 350's ? This is awfull. If it doesnt work then remove it as there is no point making a game for 8th gen that hardly even works.

 

There are future routes where there might not be restrictions if it's a quiet route

 

Its supposed to be a busy route and they NEVER Said that the 377's weren't in the game until everyone bought it If you are on 8th gen consoles such as xbox ones then you only see SOME class 350's It's going to get incredibly boring with no other trains and they said it was for lag but we had more than 1 type of service on the ECML with the 800 and 66 so why only the 350 on the WCML in fact DTG Liam's GWE remaster has 8! trains from what we have seen, some layered.

 

It occurs to me that, if gen8 console players are receiving less content than the rest of us, shouldn't they be paying less?

 

That or not being available so people dont get scammed

 

Desiro 350 Excellent modelling inside and out.Great to operate once you get used to brakes.Very well done internal lighting.
Small sound issue from inside cab; sounds like a hoot,it clips then loops.
Don't know if it's been reported yet.

 

One issue for the 350 is you can't hear the slam when the doors shuts outside. In real life, it makes a really loud slam from inside and outside (have been on it in real life)

 

Yeah thats my favourite bit of the 350's

 

Weres the passengers lights on a 350 during conductor mode cudnt find them

 

I was wondering that too makes tunnel very interesting.

 

Found it. Go into any driving cab screen above and to right of driver
Press 8 for lighting, then 5 for interior lighting, then 1 to turn on.

 

Cheers

 

Thing to look at here is if a contract has been signed and agreed upon the only way they can revoke use is if there is a get out clause or if the financial agreement has not been upheld. In anyway the fact work had already commenced with contract in hand I find it hard to think any court in the land wouldn’t uphold DTG’s case. Like in anything if you attn going to stand by a signed contract the only way to get out of it is don’t sign in the first place. I would have thought DTG would have a case of lost revenue and hours upon hours of ruined work. But honestly I’m not too fussed about branding if the colour is correct who cares? In keeping with the thread I do find the GWE interesting especially as it is well known about the choppy waters that exist between GWR and DTG. More intriguing why DTG would try to add a different variant when there are these seemingly turbulent undercurrent.

 

You don't know what the contract says. It could have all manner of termination clauses in it.