My stats. I have bought more than enough TSW DLC to make an informed decision. It does not suit my play style. I have no desire to (1) walk around the platform (2) play treasure hunt (3) be a conductor (4) run repetitive timetables. I enjoy developing a network of railway lines and driving a variety of different rolling stock over long distances. I enjoy (a) US Rolling Stock runs (b) All UK runs (especially 300+ mile runs) (c) European variety - German, Dutch, Austrian, Swiss. TSW may eventually get to where TSC is data rich, however, it appears they wish to dilute their emphasis and try and grab as much cash as they can from multiple platforms using the same engine. I have made my choice. If you believe otherwise then that is also your right to decide. Respectfully
Totally agree, I just watched a video on You Tube where they went into the Conductor Mode. Could not believe that DTG have seriously added the functions of "swiping briefcases under the seats" and "clicking on passengers with tickets sticking out of their heads". TSW5 is becoming more and more like a small child's toy game with every new release.
TSC has had absolutely shed loads of newly released DLC over the last 2 years and constantly continues to do so. Check out:- https://www.armstrongpowerhouse.com/ https://ko-fi.com/tsrollingstock/shop https://www.rsslo.com/ https://caledoniaworks.com/ https://www.precision-loco.co.uk/in-development.html etc... etc..... This is just a tiny sample of the myriad of 3rd party content providers out there who are constantly churning out high quality products that can be just dropped into the core game and used to your heart's content. Comparing a Steam Loco from Caledonia Works or PLD (Ex Bossman Games) to the DTG TSW5 kettle offering is like comparing a finely developed, detailed product to a thrown together piece of junk. As previously stated by other forum members I personally am not in any kind of war against TSW5, I just find it going in the opposite direction to which I perceived. I hoped on launch of the original TSW it could evolve into a possible alternative to TSC but using more modern technology, multi core processers etc. Instead DTG have taken the choice to create an offering that would appeal more to my 5 year old sprog than to us older Train Simulator Enthusiasts. Hey - Ho, each to their own.
If you get the route, Marseille to Avignon in Train Simulator is so much more detailed than the TSW version. The extension to Lyon is also quite well detailed, but not as good as the southern section. Annoyingly the TGV Duplex we have in TS isn't as good as the TSW one, but I'm sure someone will make a proper Duplex pack for TS in the future. SimExpress are doing a Class 373, so I think it isn't out of the question for them to do other TGVs too.
There's a TGV 2N2 which IIRC cover Marseille to Avignon, both are freeware found on RWCentral. It's completely free and, although the cab isn't the greatest in terms of modelling the features are outstanding.
Do hope the TGV would get improved by someone. Somebody from france help lol. having the 373 would be also nice too.
I think what’s really happening here is TSC users taking their frustration of DTGs inactivity out on everybody else. I too share that frustration. Very much so actually. But when all comes to all, taking it out on everyone else just doesn’t make me feel like my day was any better. So there is no point in it for me.
I dunno, my money is still on the VC vultures circling to pick its corpse clean and strip every asset once Gabe dies.
Thinking recently, I've really been able to see the biggest pain points for me with TSW as I start to build my TSC collection in preparation for my PC's arrival on the 30th. For the amount of time TSW has existed, There's a shocking lack of train DLCs which make the game feel like a non-stop repetition. As a German fan, the fact we have nothing but a 4th gen low entry dosto is just outright questionable. It doesn't take that much work to create a new model for it. It is the same for the fact that sometimes it feels like DTG purposely chooses time periods for routes in order to reuse trains, instead of choosing a time period which introduces new rolling stock. I have waited for a very long time for things like the IC2, ICE4, Railjet, P42, Class 68, TGV 2N2 etc.. the list goes on. Nothing, none of those from TSW. But wouldn't you know it? TSC has most of those, available right now! That's ultimately what pulled me over, to switch over to TSC after having been on console for so long. It's the fact that I WILL be able to play the trains I've actually been fascinated in. While for TSW it's unknown when or even if those trains will be added. My hope, for TSW is that at least the 3rd party editor scene will make it possible to expand the amount of trains we have much further. However, with some of the issues the PC editor has, I'm not too confident in that.
Unlike the TSC editor - which itself was pretty much abandoned by DTG's predecessor incarnations at an early stage - my limited experience of the TSW editor was horrible. Reminds me of one of those MI5/GCHQ puzzle tests that appeared on the news a few weeks back - unless you can get your head round it, not going to get far at all. The cynics amongst us regard it as something of a recruitment/training test for 3rd party associates and it was never, ever intended to foment the development of freeware or independent payware routes.
Please, have you not thought of engaging in all of the constructive conversations and discussions that are happening on both sides of this dialogue rather than posting one line insults against one member who you obviously have a personal problem with? You do realise all of your comments will be edited out come Monday morning when the DTG moderators do the weekly cull.
I won't report them. They (eldomtom2) are exposing themselves, just look at the post history. One liners, making claims without properly justifying them, but demanding "evidence" and proof permanently from others, and being proven wrong themselves all the time. Nothing to say but trying to get attention somehow. I had a nice short diss-your-game battle with bakedpotatos.jm, with whom I have no issues. Why is everything taken so seriously in a game forum? I don't believe in censorship, so I let the silly claims speak for themselves and really don't bother. The whole forums are very valuable if you're interested in social studies
The sad thing is so many people are too invested in either TSC or TSW. One has to realize there is more to life than Train Simulation. Train simulation comes a close 2nd. Make the best out of what you have as tomorrow's promises may never come!
Why is it sad? In the end you're sitting in front of your PC, play your favourite sim, and what's going on on the forums has really zero impact unless you forget to touch some grass from time to time. I'm really tired of the discussions on "what should DTG do" as it has zero impact. Most on the TSW forums are armchair CEOs now, discussing things they cannot solve. Look at the game and what it offers. TSC is a thing that won't come again. If TSW makes you happy and adds value for you, brilliant. That's Entertainment...
It is sad that people take all this too seriously. High expectations and the inability to just go with the flow. Some people feel that they have been insulted by decisions from DTG. I personally don’t care. Some people read too much into the texts on these forums. Take it with a pinch of salt. I am happy with what we have. If more comes so be it.
I would be interested to see if the TSW Editor is harder to use than the Unreal Editor... There are constructive conversations happening - but not in a thread intended specifically to mock the TSW userbase.
Yes and no. Put more positively, people could make a difference. I think some of the most persuasive posts have been simple "Hey check this out, look what I found" or "I'm enjoying doing this today" posts that encourage me to discover new things. I can't say as I've ever been convinced by a "This is awesome you NEED to like this, if you don't you're stupid" posts. Neither have the "I need this. I want this. This needs to be in game because I want it" posts. Positivity works better from my perspective.
The Unreal Editor is already not very user-friendly, but a lot of DTG's additions to it have been nonsensical or badly laid out. I was a paid developer and couldn't get my head around some parts of it. Scenery placement is mostly fine, but a new user would have a difficult time with anything beyond that.
And it's fairly useless unless you're planning on becoming an official 3rd party developer. The finished Almtalbahn route by FreddieTheShepherd, contender for being the first TSW freeware route, has just been finally given up because the game (AddonManager) will not load it. Support from foobian didn't help. We could trick TSW4 with the AssetRegistry to allow mods again, but against AddonManager nothing can be done. At least it allows Scenery Enhancement layers, but everyone dreaming of freeware routes for the "PC Elite" should wake up finally. It will not happen because it was never supposed to. How to sell that to the console players anyway? Don't put trust into what DTG say, look at what they do.
What I really love is the amount of stuff coming out of the woodwork for TSC. Feels like there is still a lot left in the old gal!
And you think it can't get any better... petition started. This should be a topic for House of Commons now. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/mattel’s-thomas-friends™-is-coming-to-train-sim-world.87923/page-10#post-950037
Don't buy it then. DTG will not change their long in advance planned business strategy due to the small forum bubble mate. Let everyone decide for themselves will ya. If you're not happy, play another game. TSW ain't the only trainsim you know. What you are calling for with your petition is Dictatorship and Cancel Culture which is against the idea of a free economy where you can choose what to buy or not, and as a producer are free to offer what you want. Nevertheless, it's entertaining.
I gave up fighting TSW workmanship a long time ago. I have plenty of the TSW DLC as they sell it of real cheap. I now only play TSC product as I can tweak this stuff to my hearts content AND there are plenty of advice givers on the forum to help in doing so. I would gladly sell ALL of my TSW product and exchange for TSC. Of course TSC is not available on console, however, a LOT of the BEST TSC product is acquired outside of Steam. Almost 50% of this product can be purchased elsewhere (much of it is free). I may go back to TSW someday, however, I am not willing to mess with a product which is still a little shoddy in its editing and not have the ability to clean up the errors. Each to their own. Respectfully
I AM trying to get this DLC cancelled. Dovetail Games deserves all the hate that they get. And you are so curious, I have 500 in Train Simulator. The game is clearly abandoned and Dovetail do not care about TSC in the slightest
Reported. Here's where the fun ends. Such an accusation you will have to prove. That's a personal attack and a claim of the worst kind.
I've seen a lot of Spikee's posts and haven't noticed anything that could be counted as bullying. But if there is anything that could be counted as bullying it would be better to mention them, as just saying he is a bully without any evidence is just taking shots in the dark.
It's more than shots in the dark. It's a personal attack of the rudest kind, which I will go against. If someone gets triggered (which is not an attack), it's a problem they are carrying within semselves and not my responsibility. So if you are making these accusations, provide evidence, else it is Character Assassination, KrisKol , which you will have to bear the consequences for.
Think we need to turn the temperature down a little. My experience of Spikee is he is one of the most helpful members here. One may not agree with everything read here, however, always read with caution. It is easy to mis read the intent of a text entry without sound or body language. Sometimes the voice of authority (in this case I am meaning knowledge of the product) may come across as making one feel foolish. I am sure none of this is done with intent. It is the voice of experience. Take care
Being branded a bully is one of the most disgusting things, and people are using it more and more as a weapon against people they dislike for whatever reasons. KrisKol Shame on you. Really.
Spikee, is quite capable if defending himself, but for what it’s worth, I’ve never found him to be a bully. Quite the opposite. I don’t always agree with him, but I have seen that he goes out of his way to help people providing fixes and verifying bugs. I have at least 3 of his fixes in my installation.
Not to mention the number of patches and fixes Spikee1975 has released for others https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/user/spikee1975/uploads
I stand by Spikee. Occasionally a comment may be misconstrued because of language (not a native english speaker, although his english is often better than some who are native english speakers). Helpful always, bully never.
If people think any of Spike's posts to be bullying, they obviously haven't been given a talking to by someone from the North of England....there are far too many delicate souls who think being told that they're mistaken/wrong (no matter how politely that may have been phrased) as some kind of "attack"
I actually spat coffee everywhere when I read this! Lol. Probably not the worst petition ever created, but it's up there in the top 5!
For me personally, get a bigger hard drive so I can reinstall it - currently triaged off to make room for MSFS 2020. For DTG, resolve not to forget it and at least allocate some programmer time to any outstanding bugfixes. At least it has an editor that works. Saddened me to read the thread in the TSW Route Editor forum from the guy who has had to abandon his project because the editor, well basically ate it. TSW editor was basically a huge emperor's new clothes which even N3V wouldn't have had the audacity to pull off. A hook to get people on the fence to buy TSW4 and as stated previously, turned out to be an undocumented largely unuseable recruitment tool.
