Lets not forget that they have actually done routes in the past, I believe Cathcart was a Dovetail and Rivet colab.
So, we are now up to 180 votes for ‘yes’. Puzzled by the 8 ‘no’ votes so far. Why wouldn’t you want DTG to implement the full timetable? I really hope DTG Matt is seeing this and appreciating the magnitude of unhappiness with what we are currently being offered.
I am only getting the free upgrade to tsw5. Routes will be bought when i feel they are substantial enough
Fair enough , I think it's easy for us PC players to forget we can only access them which is a pity. Hopefully the timetable at least will be improved with the Leven branch.
The most anticipated, most requested route that people are gonna buy no matter what! San bernardino on the other hand needs to be done well to sell.
Exactly the wow pendolino crowd will bite most likely and probably make the route a sales success, what the enthusiasts want is not worried about.
Because there's a bunch of people on here who genuinely believe that if they white knight for DTG they might receive something in return (they never do), or they work for them.
That's how polls work. There will always be some people who like to mess with polls and surveys (including DTG Protagonist). I believe that you are aware there are some who despise polls that are more like petitions (such as this). Alternatively, some people may be happy with the timetable in its current state. If that is the case, so be it. That's their opinion.
Or it could be like Trip Advisor where the locations (allegedly) have their own people post favourable reviews. Or as happened recently to me with something bought from Amazon which turned out to be cheaply made Chinese tat. Got a DM from the seller offering a 20% rebate if I changed my review more favourably. You can guess I declined the offer!
I am fairly certain there's a law out there somewhere that says if you get paid or get a discount then you have to state that in the review you give. Wise of you to reject it!
The thing is it's a great route I haven't been able to do overground services right now but if this game just has it's passenger information screens fixed on platforms and trains this game will be really really good fun to play it just feels slightly empty it's pretty fun but there needs to be some updates to this route
According to the railwaydata.co.uk site, the Winter 2024 timetable has 24 class 800 services plus 9 class 805 daily into Euston,, all AWC. In addition, there are 2 class 800 services which have no stops inside the DTG DLC, from Liverpool Lime Street and Blackpool North. The 805s also have no stops inside the DLC. I have no way, living in the US, to know what consists they actually are, but the site is quite specific and simply saying "no they aren't" is unhelpful.
roysto25 It was another poster that said "no they aren't", not me - I tried to help. Regarding the data, as rjeeves#3580 has mentioned, GWR are diverting some services into Euston during HS2 engineering works preventing services from accessing paddington. They operate 800s and 802s (among other units) so it could be to do with that. The 805 is definitely AWC - only they have them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_800#Fleet_details This wikipedia article proves AWC own no 800s. No 800s run between Liverpool Lime Street and Blackpool North routinely. There is a possibility that this unit type could have been selected in TRUST as the timings will be similar to an 805. If you wouldn't mind, please could you post the dates and times of the services you are referring to? jack#9468 Yeah - that's what I think too. I know LNER have been going over from NCL to Carlisle (and vice versa) over the weekend due to engineering on the Scottish part of the ECML.
I suspect it’s showing what it is timed for rather than what traction is actually operating the service. All (or nearly all of) the Liverpool services run by AWC which is 1 train per hour are timed under Class 80x timings yet they are actually operated by Class 390s. With regards to GWR operating 80x into Euston. On top of my head, this is only happening in passenger service for 1 day in November and 6 days in December and will be 2 trains per hour.
1A10 - 'Timing Load 800' is displayed. 'ATOC code VT' is displayed, so this is definitely Avanti. 1B34 - Same as above So it'll be showing the 800 timings rather than it being an 800 (more info in my post at 1:11) 390 can tilt. 80x series cannot. But 80x series accelerate faster. So there isn't much of a difference on journey duration. That said, the service I've linked below was run by 221s today. RealTime Trains shows these as 80x on electric - which is correct. Here are the schedules: Old - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C21720/2024-09-16/detailed New - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C49164/2024-12-16/detailed I do agree with that - they have a nice foundation for building other variants of the series. There are some differences, physics and engines etc., but they have a solid starting point.
We need to make it clear in their next YouTube livestream that the current timetable is unacceptable. They need to properly acknowledge this and promise that they’re going to do something about it instead of keeping quiet
I agree, I don't think it will be fully acknowledged either. From the snippets that have been said on the subject since this whole fiasco occured, DTG seem to be on Rivets side and pulled out "their feelings have been hurt" card, rather then publicly acknowledge that Rivets contribution to the WCML was of very poor standard and, why was a company with a evident history of poor work standards, trusted with a flagship and complex route by DTG. I'm not saying they should be hung, drawn and quartered... But it does need to be acknowledged that their is massive room for improvement with Rivets work, work standards, and post release support. It's very a poor way to run a company. And it was a very poor decision to allow them to lay their hands on any part of the WCML. I believe Rivet played a bigger part in the WCMLs development then what we are led to believe. Second to that you get the "well our sales record improves each year" as one of the comments after the criticism of the WCML. This is valid to a point, but that is not valid reason to allow Rivets work to be complacent. The truth of it is, statistics will show that sales go up year on year, and this is because DTG have a niche market they cater for and are pretty much the only decent train simulator available and have no competition. And each year will introduce new people. By the way, I'm happy with 90% of DTGs work, so don't get me wrong... But, DTG have to remember that the reason they remain strong in this niche market is only because their product has no real competition at the moment so they can afford to have the attitude of "take it or leave it" with no real effect on the company. The whole acknowledgement of WCML faults has just been handled the wrong way from my personal perspective and I just feel that Rivets complacency is being acknowledged but ignored both at the same time. If we had Sainsbury as our only supermarket we would all shop there... If Vauxhall was the only car manufacturer, everyone would be driving Vauxhalls... And DTG are the only developers that make a decent train simulator, but that is no reason to allow standards to drop because there will be no 'comebacks' from it. I know most of the WCML timetable faults have been acknowledged and improvements promised overall, and I appreciate that. But it does need to publicly be acknowledged that this was not upto scratch by TSW5 standard, and many of these faults seem to have been perfectly avoidable. Overall I'm happy with DTGs Train Sim World products, but I feel it's important to make a point about all of the above.
