Your settings make the game look fantastic. How is it running so far? Remember the tsw Fife circle route how they could not add planes haha
Running well - not full 75 FPS but 50-60 on my system. And ironically the first rendition of Fife Circle (JT's Scottish ECML Edinburgh - Dundee - Perth) had Concordes taking off and landing at EGPH...
Planes are not hard to do in TS Classic... Berlin Ringbahn has planes, U-Bahn Hamburg has planes, even Hannover-Bremerhaven (Freeware) has military planes landing and taking off outside of Wunstorf. They work the same that cars running along the roads do. Just need to drag a spline through the skys and set up a plane asset on it. By the way: this update looks fantastic! Will be getting it later.
Yeah but the point was TSW Fife Circle did not manage to do it for "performance reasons". Lol. I mean check what a detailed plane model that 737 is. Believe me, if you played this you will not touch the default BedPanLine ever again
Reminds me very much of the amazing revamp the german community did of Dresden-Schöna or Hagen-Siegen. I have no problem with the british side doing it via payware and making it more accessible to a wider audiance and not having to download tons of assets.
What year is the route set in, seems a bit of a mismatch with 700s but CSR , I know its to cater for different types of scenarios but does seem a bit out of place. I might pick this up though seeing as it was my main route of driving trains for over a decade so won't need much route learning on it lol.
Try a little experiment. Pack the route itself into a MainContent.ap file inside the route's folder and delete the entire thing, making it run like that. Find any assets the route installs and make the separate asset pack in each folder as well (make sure not to pack Blueprint.pak files). Then clear cache and try running it again. I am intently curious if it runs better this way.
Lol. You should know me, that's what I always do. I've even written a guide on that ages ago. But you can't just pack all assets. Scripts that call other scripts won't work from an .ap, but the route files are always safe to pack. (They weren't when videos where supported, as the codec needed direct access to the .ogv) Packing Kuju/RailSimulator will result in non-working german signals.
What I will do is check for scenario compatibility - if Workshop scenarios for the original route can be moved to the AP version. If the track network hasn't changed, there's a good chance of success. If not, I'll order my friend Coasty to make scenarios and release them on trainsimcommunity.com
There have been changes documented to St. Pancras, a 150m movement somewhere. Old scenarios down there for sure will not work. Further north, maybe, but any AI going down to St. Pancras would not work.
Indeed. Scenarios are not compatible. N.S731 Anyway, I'm back playing the supplied scenarios and QuickDrives.
I got this as well - texture wise absolutely spot on. It is bit heavy though on my system in terms of performance but still runs well. Anyone else having issues with included quick drive scenarios? I am trying to run 2019 St Pancras to Luton slow lines however once loading is completed I am getting player train derailed. Not sure why. I haven't tried standard scenarios yet.
Am I missing something here? If the old route is really so awful why didn't they build a new version from scratch as I believe is happening with the Somerset & Dorset project. With all the requirements you are looking at about £90.00 for a 50 mile route. It's quite amusing that in the brave new world where ATS and AP effectively have the market to themselves for (nearly) modern UK content, the best it seems they can come up with is rehashed or extended versions of unfairly reviled DTG routes. If you are reading this Alanis that is what you call ironic.
The project was initially meant to be an update to the original route. AP signed on to help with it and act as the publisher. This allowed the developer to use AP content to update the route and have it published as an inclusion with the pack instead of him publishing it on his own with the AP signal pack having to be added by the user on the end, an even more expensive venture. Also, building a route from the ground up takes a lot more time than an update, I would suspect. And would make it at least 30 pounds now. This is acceptable at this price given the requirements.
Depends on the point of view. I've had the requirements for a long time, and they have paid off for me in terms of gameplay. And these requirements like WCML-South and Chatham Main Line are must have routes imho, so you get additional value - it's not like you pay 90 pounds for one route. This is by far the best looking route for TSC, I'm really enjoying it.
How anyone can complain about people making an old TS route amazing is beyond me. As others have stated: this was a private route update and AP did the final touches and published it. The german community has been doing this for years on a freeware basis, but you need to download a boatload of Assets and also have alot of payware to run those updates. ATS is also working on a revamped London-Brighton. I´m sure it will be joined up with the new Midland Mainline and Kings Cross to Kings Lynn at some point!
I agree with toms87...however, it does seem to me at least, a bit of a kick in the teeth for Toby Amiel & Pablo Martinez, who don't get a mention until the very last page of the manual.
I'm not sure where else you'd expect to see the route builder's names except in the credits/acknowledgements section? A lot of add-ons don't seem to mention any of the people involved in their creation by name.
But Steve, early on in the manual is "Features A more detailed overview of what has been added/enhanced. Scenery Vegetation Many of the assets from our Vegetation Enhancement Pack are packaged and utilised in this enhancement pack. Combined with careful use of grass in the foreground and more performance friendly 2D assets further from the track, this route now has rich and luscious vegetation. We have also taken care in how vegetation looks in autumn, spring & winter which is often neglected in routes. Whilst it’s hard to beat the height of summer with everything in bloom, this route is now a joy to drive in all seasons" and from the last page... "Toby Amiel & Pablo Martinez – The masterminds behind this project. These two chaps are responsible for the vast majority of scenery you see in this pack." It starts of as "we", which most will take as meaning AP, but there's a bloody good chance that this was done by the Toby and Pablo. They SHOULD nave mentioned at the onset, something along lines "In conjunction with Toby Amiel & Pablo Martinez we are pleased to present you with...."
I think the creators would have brought this up to AP if it would have bothered them. PS: When I redownload the weather EP with the "Thunderstorm" scenario in the 319, it does not work on the new route. The sky has a awkward colour and no rain or thunderstorm starts. Anyone else having the same?
I doubt they had input in the manual until it was already ready to go in a draft form. And it was probably something that was not worth making a fuss about. Even so, they're mention at the end. That's enough for most non-narcissist folks. It's when they want to be mentioned on every page that it becomes an issue.
Maybe they did, maybe they didn't..... Yeah, but surely EVERY freeware developer/team who started a project deserve mentioning at the onset, regardless of whether the project is published by JT, AP, DT et al...
Devs are mentioned in the credits. Credits are usually at the end. Where's your problem? "Some people find fault like there is a reward for it." - Zig Ziglar
I'm sure any annoyance the co-creators have about not being mentioned on every page will be soothed by their paycheck.
I too have both the other Chatham Mainline DLC that I don't really use, which I brought in sales for other dependancies, but don't have the 3rd Victoria Dover add on required for the AP Midland Mainline route. Adding another £24.99 for a third Chatham Mainline DLC that I probably won't use makes it a NO for a day one purchase of AP Midland Mainline enhancement pack. I will have to wait for another sale to hopefully pick up the third Chatham Mainline DLC before getting the AP Midand Mainline enhancement pack. Shame really - as I have everything else required for the AP pack! Really good intro video though from AP promoting the pack, but guess I will carrying on using the Heard Turkeys complete route from Leicester to St Pancras for the time being. I wonder if the AP pack would also update the Leicester to St Pancras route?
The Chatham Main Line Blackfriars, Dover, Ramsgate is imho a must have. It's the definite, longest and most polished version of the line, DTG's "masterpiece". You'll get value out of that, and the Summer Sale is nearing. I cannot give enough praise for this the AP MML - it looks better than any route you've ever seen and outdoes the best TSW scenery even - especially the vegetation. And still performs well. Imho the best you can get for TSC. It's much more than just an enhancement, it's a new route. AP have transformed the old Kuju game into a superb visual and operational experience. Kudos! Playing TSW after this, that game looks like a complete joke with its shiny terrain, overexposed cabs and ugly vegetation popping.
There's a flurry of scenarios already on ATS for the route. Also AP have updated a pile of his stuff too.
Thanks for the heads up, Mart. Added seven scenarios from Powerhouse making use of my AP stock And look at the amount of QD templates - delivering 2011, 2016 and 2019 AI "timetables" Many are underestimating QD, it's an endless source of gameplay - and can even be used as a base for a scenario. It's value for money. Anyone accusing AP of being greedy is probably greedy themselves.
I have no quibble about people making an old route look amazing. My concern is the dearth of new stand alone modern UK content now that a lot of route building talent has seemingly been press ganged to work aboard the good ship TSW. I appreciate that compared to other regions the UK is well represented in TSC but there are still many uncovered areas and without fresh content the game will inevitably become less attractive to new consumers. This is still nominally a universal forum aimed at all players of the game and not just seasoned players with high end computers who own tons of content, so although I own all the requirements (except the high end computer) I would rather have seen a stand alone optimised route to appeal to a wider audience. The ATS subscription model is no doubt highly lucrative and I'm sure almost every penny of profit is ploughed back into research and development for the good of the game but I just prefer purchasing content to keep so its not therefore something I can get enthused about especially for revamped content which I already enjoy playing.
I have to admit I wasn't going to buy this enhancement as I thought the workshop route to Leicester would be good enough and it is good but after the vid I changed my mind and purchased; boy oh boy the route is fantastic in comparison to the workshop route a new level of gold standard other route builders should aspire to, the sounds are worth the £19.99 alone! I'm hoping that I can expand on those sounds too in the route if they are available to use?This route was obviously a labour of love and just proves that there is plenty of life still in TSC. well done to all involved, a masterpiece.
Absolutely agree - "Gold Standard". Sometimes it's hard to believe it's (basically) still the old Kuju RS
I totally share this concern and have voiced it many times on here. German content now consists of S-Bahn and U-Bahn since DTG stopped making stuff. We have to take, what we get at this point. Hopefully DTG will start making DLC again for TS.
It´s because freeware people sat down for 2 years and worked on it. Like I always say, there are some German routes that have been revamped in this detail, but espacially international users shy away from because of the long lists of requierments. I don´t use standard routes anymore at this point... I only drive the ones, that have revamp done by someone. Hagen-Siegen V3 by "derdoctor" was realesed in 2015! Route upgrades have been going on for a very long time. The british are a bit late to the party, but I´m glad they go there.
derdoctor? not "doctorgep"? Silliest names (no offense) I've seen are DeinFrühstück (Your Breakfast, sounds like some diet food producer), Dijon Senf and EndstationZugsYndrom Back to MML
Added section on my web site: https://sites.google.com/view/trainsimulatorcontent/uk-routes/mml-ap-london-bedford
Scenarios: I've just ported an ATS scenario for the re-vamped route into the original. Half a dozen broken consists that just needed jiggling back on to the track and a handful of services needed re-pathing into available portals which didn't take long. That suggests that given a wee bit of work you can move your existing scenarios over.
I'll be doing the same, porting old MML scenarios over as I've no intention to play the base route ever again.
Indeed why would you! As for the sounds it appears one can't access the sounds for reverb in the editor unless someone can enlighten me? Also if you want to hear said sounds don't bother with the 700 it's too damn well insulated! A 66 or 68 gives good results.
Haven't bought this as yet due to the Dover requirement, so will wait for a sale i think. I do however have the original Chatham. I'm just wondering if I could get away with just that if it's a case of maybe a few missing assets, or perhaps they used some signals from that?
Probably not. There's a lot of assets needed from ChathamMainlineAssets.ap (new) and LondonGillinghamAssets.ap (old). I mean you can play it with lots of missing scenery probably. This would need rerunning the installer as soon as you get hold of Blackfriars-Dover/Ramsgate, so the Geos are copied to AP's version of the used assets.
Indeed, to experience the 59 new recorded local ambient sounds, open your window It's very much alive.
Every AP item moved across automatically to the new route, however, I cannot seem to load any of them. Not sure what is going wrong? Looks like the native scenarios are now running on my pc. I downloaded all of the required AP scenarios and they populated under the new route. After deleting the copies in the New Scenario things are working as expected. Beware if you redownload the AP DLCs as they may spawn copies and create a slowing down of the files.
Most likely it's something to do with London St. Pancras given some work was done in that area. Could be another one I missed where work was also done (was Brent Cross added?). I wonder if you can load the scenario in the editor and just replace the broken consists with new ones, then check the pathing. Spikee would know. For the love of all that is holy, just get Dover/Ramsgate. By itself it's two new routes from Faversham, but comes pre-merged with Victoria and a modern Sheerness that Danny himself had already put out in some form in the Workshop, and route 66-d000 there from his merge list actually adds St. Pancras back onto the route. This is now the equivalent of a modern route network. When the sale comes, buy it, then consider the AP route. I might actually buy the AP route right now if I wasn't keeping an eye on my finances, but this seems like one that is a must-get and I'll have a lot of options when I finally get there. Going to be organizing them in the meanwhile. Looks like that screenshot is a list of all scenarios in the packs that have been replaced with new copies. I still wish the old copies remained, and that is one thing ATS did with the 745 at least that I actually would give them credit for; you can use it on either the old Ipswich route or on GEMMA. That is something AP could pick up from them. The whole "force to upgrade" by deleting and replacing content is something I have always been critical of AP for. But I have a lot of the old scenarios saved (maybe all of them, even a v1.0 weather pack version of 2O47), so it doesn't bother me much.
