Like Blackpool Branches. The only difference is the box in the guards compartment in the NHA must be activated first (there's a switch at the top).
On a slightly different tack, having a run with the 87 and while the sound distortion of the traction motors etc. is still evident when the game stutters, I was trying to ponder what the constant fluttery noise is when you get up to speed. Then it dawned on me. Have JT tried to implement some sort of wind/slipstream sound effect when you get up to speed? If so it is awful and adding to the overall jankiness of the sound issues. I tried turning down the environmental sound effects in settings but made no difference so suspect it might be coded into the actual loco/Simugraph sound set up. Sorry for ping but JT Benedict or JT Thomas can you confirm if my theory about wind noise is correct? If so there really needs to be a way to turn it down or preferably off altogether. And has this effect also been applied to the forthcoming Class 86? If so, again an option not to have it is desperately needed, please.
If that’s answering my question, then what is that awful fluttering noise that seems to kick in above 70 to 75 MPH? Oh well, no wonder meddling with the environmental sound effects made no difference. Looks like we are back to the mouldy core janking the sound, then.
There is definitely something still dragging down performance on this route. Purely by accident I hit F3 to reveal the FPS teetering around between 13 and 14. Loaded up RSN and the FPS running at 30 and that's only because I capped it there rather than at 60. Now if JT could get to the cause of why the route gets such poor FPS which is presumably also linked to the sound distortion, we might be closer to finding a solution.
I wonder if your signature is the reason for your problems. What size RAM do you have on your PC? I left F3 on for a run from Preston to Carlisle, around Preston it was lowest 32 and Carlisle 33, but in-between it was hitting 60fps regularly, and that's on ultra settings. That's with 16GB RAM.
24Gb of RAM and no doubt it’s a potato but still a huge disparity between respective frame rates even allowing for WCML being a newer route. I will have to see what other more recent routes can manage.
Any plans to fix the ETH anomaly whereby the Class 87's ETH is on and can't be turned off when coupled to freight stock? Reported back in November by me and others. Another fix that would increase realism is to prevent the line circuit breaker from re-closing on exiting a neutral section until the tap-changer has fully run back.
Last year I upgraded from an RTX 3070 to an AMD 7900XTX and in my opinion the additional VRAM really DOES help in all games.
I have the GX1650 Super. I went and checked to see if any differences, this is what I found. "The GTX 1650 Super might have a similar name to the 1650, but that's more for marketing than anything else. The 1650 Super is an altogether different GPU. It has substantially more CUDA cores than the 1650, as well as a higher clock speed and 50% faster memory. It's a big upgrade."
Well as a test I just loaded a run on Fife Circle and that was returning 17 FPS so yes, it looks like the newer routes need a better video card.
That's a 40 fps minimum route for me, even at Waverley/Haymarket. Sorry, Vern, it does look like time to upgrade.
Without going off topic, yes it does look like hardware is part of the problem. Having a quick look around the GTX1650 Super now seems to have been superseded by the RTX3050 which I already worked out is probably the only RTX card I could put in my current box with a 450w PSU. So at the moment all hinges on whether I replace the PC before the Windows 10 deadline in October or ignore that and just go for a refurb.
Realise it's more down to the game core than the route, but was humoured slightly when walking out of Carlisle station last night after driving up from Preston on the 87. Knew passenger behaviour in the game was odd anyway but this is just taking the mick ! :P
Fine to go a little off-topic, all threads do now and again! The Super is a card released in 2021, I got this PC in early 2022. Over 3 years down the line it still holds up really, really well but I know at some point its effectiveness will wane.
On Xbox Series S. This route is fantastic and it has so much potential. I know it's been a little while now since it's released but there's one thing I just can't put up with anymore and that's game crashes. It happens so often that I can rarely ever complete a service of the full line without it kicking me out. It's actually infuriating sometimes and I'm sure I'm not the only person with this issue on Series S. Plus it's not just this route it's others aswell such as wcml Euston- M.Keynes. the crashes on preston-carlisle route tend to happen at Carlisle but often happen in other areas across the route aswell. This should be my favourite route in game but it's been ruined completely by the high amount of game crashes not allowing me to complete a single service of the full line and it hasn't got any better since I bought the route when it came out. It's so annoying because it makes the route almost unplayable sometimes as in the whole time since it came out i don't think I've completed more than 10 full runs without crashes. I hope JT can sort this as their other route Blackpool branches is one of my favourites aswell and it's one of the few routes in tsw that I actually don't remember having any crashes on.
I also play on Series S and I have to say that after completing both journeys, plus other services as well, crashing is not a serious issue. While I do get the occasional crash, especially upon arrival to Preston, it is not something that is outside of what all consoles are experiencing to some degree, due to the overall poor optimization of TSW5. Also let's remember that JT has already removed some AI services and static stock from the Series S version of WCMLos, which in my opinion was a totally unnecessary degradation of a route that I had already paid for. Any problems that people are having on Series S with this route are almost certainly related to the bigger overall problems of TSW5, and not something that JT will have a huge amount of control over. However, frequent complaints could encourage the further reduction of AI/static stock or even timetable services, which will further degrade the Series S experience for questionable benefits. My recommendation is to play without any custom liveries. Choose HD instead of 4K. Turn off volumetric fog. Rain kills the performance of Series S and should be avoided whenever possible. Don't use the map too much and zoom out before you close it. Forget about photo mode. You should also try to limit the total number of DLC you have downloaded at any single time. Of course these are just suggestions. Anyone is free to do what they like, including complaining about performance. But, in the past this has led to cuts, that apparently didn't improve things enough, because people are still complaining. So we see that the beneficence of such things has been quixotic, at best.
I really appreciate the new liveries and fixes to the 87. However, one issue I would still like to see fixed one day on the 87 is the inability to unisolate the rheostatic brakes. What happens is that once you flip the switch in the screenshot below to off, you cannot flip it back to on because the clickspot for it disappears after flipping it to off.
A little postscript from what I posted the other day. I was determined to crack the performance issues and get this route running better. After trying a number of options which didn't really help, I went for the big one and turned the game graphics down from 4K to 1440p. The frame rate on WCMLoS instantly shot up from 14 FPS to between 35 and 40 FPS, which I've now capped at 30 FPS. Apart from the occasional stutter which I think is endemic in the game engine, it may not look as pretty but running much smoother and that includes the sound distortion which was obviously linked to the FPS simply not keeping up in 4K. So for anyone else with an older GPU like my GTX1650, I know it's a wrench to drop the resolution but sometimes the nuclear option is the only with. I can also now look forward to the Class 86 pack more eagerly.
This route is another example of Just Trains excellent work. I do however think that they should go back to the Mk3A TRFB buffet cars and rework the interior to a standard similar to the upcoming Mk1 RMB with a fully stocked and open counter.
Complete with buffet car steward picking their nose and smoking a roll up (hasten to add I do neither!) greeting customers with “Whadda you want?”
Yes it is in there however it is seasonal, I think it is selected summer months. If you don't have Scotty then a different steamer with layer in instead, in my case I didn't quite see which one as I was too busy enjoying thrashing the proverbials off a pair of 37s taking a cement train up Shap
You need both Spirit of Steam (LMS Jubilee, Mk1 coaches) and Flying Scotsman to activate the steam railtours.
I've got SoS but not Scotty and I've seen a steamer layered in, I think I can also select the Jubilee to drive however I may be confusing that with BPO, I will have to check tomorrow.
Scotsman won't show up as a railtour unless you have the Jubilee too. If you only own Scotsman and not SoS then the steam tours won't show. Scotsman is a substitution for the Jubilee.
Anyone else getting vibrating bogies when the brakes are released on the BBA steel flats? Causing buffer clash and controller vibration when stationary. Doesn't happen when brakes are applied.
Had my first game crash on any route on the PS5 last night. Into the second loop on Southbound Liner scenario and opened the map to see if I could gauge how far away the train I was waiting for was. Made some odd noises and then rendered every button on the pad (apart from the PS one) inoperable. Another random question that's maybe been answered before, but is it just me or is there something a bit odd about the mileage between Oxehnholme and Penrith ? Noticed that when it gets to 23 miles away, the next mile seems to take forever before dropping to 22 and 21. However, it then jumps back up from 21 to 22. Can't think of any logical reason for this.
Echo what dal#9745 has already said. It would be fine on a straight route, but between Penrith and Oxenholme it's anything but because of the terrain the railway has to navigate.
I don't think so, the longest journey are the Windermere to Preston services which you take to and from Oxenholme.
Thanks for info mate. Do they actually go from oxenholme to preston or do you start further down the line.
You start from Oxenholme. The service will operate as AI on the Windermere branch and then you take over
Sorry to be pain but I cannot find jobs that go from Oxenholme to Preston. Do I need any dlcs for this to activate.
These are the 101 variations on wcml os i have. I have gone through every job on there and not one goes from Oxenholme to Preston. The longest jobs is Carnforth to Preston. Appreciate your help by the way.
There is one around 35 minutes or so albeit it's from Carnforth to Preston. Think it starts at Barrow so if you look for that you should find it.
