Route Wcml Preston To Carlisle - Feedback Thread

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  1. Electricfox

    Electricfox New Member

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    Is it just me or is guard mode current broken with the class 87? It seems to get stuck on 'Make sure the doors are closed', on the Class 101 it does this but you can close the doors yourself and it carries on, but with the 87 even if you close all of the doors it won't recognise that they're closed.
     
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  2. pogodoyle#7387

    pogodoyle#7387 Well-Known Member

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    The menus are seriously broken. 86 didn’t show up on the initial install, did after a reinstall, but then disappeared after I played the 37 freight service. Same randomly disappearing locos on other routes, and now routes are randomly disappearing too. It’s worse since the latest update, if anything :mad::mad::mad:
     
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  3. Phil47569

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    Try opening and closing a few doors again, I had a similar issue last night on arrival into EUS that it was telling be to lock the doors (driver mode) but they were all closed and locked. Fortunately since it was in driver mode I could just apply a smidge of power and crawl forward a foot tricking the game and bringing up the end screen. Since you are in guard mode, maybe it's a random door thing :/
     
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  4. Ross Austin

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    Only problem is formation design as it labelled the mk3as as mk2fs so it conflicts with the 86 mk2f pack
     
  5. Electricfox

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    Funnily enough I found a solution in the most random of places. Uncoupling the class 87 from the train and coupling it up again. For some reason that did it. No idea why.


    Further Experimentation seems to indicate that it only happens with the Mk3as, the Mk2s operate just fine but the Mk3as you have to uncouple and couple them up again when the train is ready to depart. Not sure if you have to do this at every station or just the starting station yet, that'll be the next thing I test.

    Further Further Experimentation, no you don't have to do this at the next station, just the one that you spawn out, and only if the Mk3a is attached to the Class 87, if there's a Mk 1 attached to the 87 (ie if you're London facing) then everything works as it should.
     
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  6. steve08

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    Can’t get the 87 moving past 7mph shut the doors brakes off reverser forward master key on back wall red lever on

    is there anything regarding vacuum or air brakes with the coaches like in WSR ?
     
  7. Phil47569

    Phil47569 Well-Known Member

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    The 87 is air brake only, the 86 is dual brake so you if you have that you could use it instead or (not sure if the game allows it) use it as a translator between the 87 and stock.
     
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  8. squerble

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    Did anyone find a way to get their Class 87 to show up again on PC/Steam? I've only just noticed it's missing.
     
  9. steve08

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    I downloaded a Hst livery power car only, using the creators club for the black and white livery, then created a custom formation using that power car with the coaches of the same colours. Train won’t move as the brake pipe won’t go up.
     
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  10. Scorpion71

    Scorpion71 Well-Known Member

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    I've downloaded a few Creators Club's liveries, LL 87's, LL86's and some mock 81, 84, 85's.

    I'm yet to see any sub in yet on timetable mode, just wondering if anyone else has had any appear if they downloaded CC reskins? I'm just wondering if JT set the 86's and 87's to be subbed by CC liveries!?!
     
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  11. steve08

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    What if they added class 140/141 pacers.

    They were the original prototype pacers I think.
     
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  12. OldVern

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    Think they tended to work fairly local to Leeds and the West Yorkshire area.
     
  13. Phil47569

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    The 140 was a singe prototype which interestingly has been preserved up in Scotland, far away from where Pacers operated.

    The 141 fleet was sponsored by WYPTE and operated largely within the area of West Yorkshire, though they did reach out across Yorkshire and did also work occasionally to Manchester and over the S&C. They would however be a very niche unit for a loco pack, they could be a great DLC addition to come with any future Iranian Railways route DLC though ;)
     
  14. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Doing journey Mode for the route. Currently on 1M10, a sleeper service between Carlisle and Preston.

    You can never leave on time - 6M41 always takes priority despite it only just loading in on the map when 1M10 is supposed to depart. Why?

    Also, if you have Mark 1s and Mark 3s in a formation, both the guard whistle and guard buzzer sound when you lock the doors.
     
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  15. samuelpower2001

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    There's quite a few services where you load them and they spawn you on foot..if I remember rightly one of the stone scratcher tour parts. Part 3 which asks for run around at hardendale quarry spawned me on foot.
     
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  16. jesper2805

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    I have noticed that the performance on this route is not really pleasant. Its far below other TSW routes. Is JT already working on this problem?
     
  17. SonicScott91

    SonicScott91 Well-Known Member

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    What platform are you on? The route runs silky smooth for me on PC, holds 60fps with no drops.
     
  18. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Runs smooth for me as well. There's the odd dip, but nothing to shout about.
     
  19. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    It runs really good on xbox series x its by far the best.
     
  20. jesper2805

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    PC 1440p and it have more stutter than other routes. And no this is not related to shader loading
     
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  21. SonicScott91

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    Must be your specs, try lowering settings. I run 4k 60fps and have no issues whatsoever - Easily one of the best running routes in the game.
     
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  22. jesper2805

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    Sounds strange with a 7800x3D and a 9700xtx
     
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  23. IvyJoanTurner

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    Performs fine on my specs at 4k max settings with AMD frame generation on
     
  24. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    6P85, a freight run between Preston and Carnforth in the 47, ends at Carnforth platform 2 at 0543.

    2E05, in the 101 which runs between Carnforth and Morecambe, leaves Carnforth platform 2 at 0550

    Driving 6P85, you are guaranteed to always be around 10 minutes late.
     
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  25. vodka#2734

    vodka#2734 Well-Known Member

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    AMFM Does it even work in the game? I thought it would only give me a couple of frames per second.
     
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  26. IvyJoanTurner

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    I get close to 90fps yeh, with it off about 55fps
     
  27. vodka#2734

    vodka#2734 Well-Known Member

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    That's odd. I haven't tried it specifically on this route, but on my RX9070, enabling AMFM gives me maybe 2-3 frames per second, with HUD trailing. In most cases, I don't see any increase in FPS.
     
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  28. IvyJoanTurner

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    I got the 9070xt and performance was worse than on my 6800xt, don't ask me why, idk if its because its a newer card and the drivers aren't fully there yet or the game hasn't been built with that in mind or what, but yeh I had the same results as you, where the AMFM on the 9070xt barely did anything whereas the amfm on my 6800xt gave me almost 30 frames increase. I went back to the 6800xt and sent the 9070xt back because I didnt want to shell out £800 for a card that was worse in practice and better on paper
     
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  29. vodka#2734

    vodka#2734 Well-Known Member

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    Before this, I had a 6700XT. Even with the horrendous TSW optimization, performance more than doubled.
     
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  30. IvyJoanTurner

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    It's possible the card I got was faulty then, I did send it back so I never got the opportunity to find out
     
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    I get a very noticeable drop in framerate and gpu usage from the Neutral Section at the Morecambe branch right the way down to Lancaster station. Although I admit my PC specs aren't great...
     
  32. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    In the Class 101 tutorial, activating the control circuit key to ON activates the guard buzzer which continually plays and cannot be disabled.
     
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  33. samuelpower2001

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    This also happens to me but when applying handbrake
     
  34. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    7F26 (Part 1) can't be completed when selected from the menu as I've found that when selecting from menu, you get spawned somewhere else randomly as the train is already moving.

    It actually starts a couple of minutes later than advertised. Spawn on foot, go to Currock Yard and wait at Signal CE419, and wait for the train to arrive then take it over. This is the only way to complete this service.

    The start time has been set to before the service actually starts. In the menu, it says 1430, but the train arrives at Signal CE419 for 1432.
     
  35. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Also, most of the light engine moves cannot be completed to platinum.
     
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  36. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Can't believe the crappppy core problems have now ruined this excellent route. Done a full length every few 100 yards kept going blurry then clear then blurry then clear. Played hd NOT 4k and disabled a few layers. Such shame DTG you need buck your self up a d sorted properly on consoles.
     
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  37. maccagee#4924

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    I wish they'd get around to fixing the passenger announcements on the Pacers.
     
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  38. FifeFlyer75

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    Asked on a couple of JT's streams and they said it was coming, but that was months ago. Not sure what the hold up is but it's very frustrating.
     
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  39. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    In the 87/86 what jobs actually stop at all stops no matter what I choose they only at one or two stations.
     
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  40. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Any service that takes around an hour and half is usually an all stops one.
     
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    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    I thought that picked one the was 1.25a.d only called at 2 stations.
     
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    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Services that take around 1 hour 15 mins usually only have one stop.

    Most of the cross country services (all those operated with the 86) are all stops. Class 87 services usually stop only at Lancaster (Glasgow bound), or all stops usually start/end at Carlisle.

    Basically the longer a service takes, the more stops its likely to have.
     
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  43. Strat-tastic

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    I like to do additional calls when not timetabled. Doesn't work for Lancaster tho'. :love:
     
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  44. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    So each loco has loads off different versions but all jobs the same loco or does it have different timetables. There is so many now im getting confused
     
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  45. Phil47569

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    Basically the 87s were on the express runs which only stopped at 1, maybe 2 stations between Preston and Carlisle. The 86s were primarily on the Cross Country services and had a different stopping pattern. However, TSW offers both locos for all the diagrams so you need to look at the actual diagram to determine if it is a cross country, or express - Express will be to/from London Euston with XC being everything else.
     
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  46. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    In 47s how come oil and speedlink trains are limited to 45mph. But nuclear can run at 60mph.
     
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    Britain classifies freight according to max allowed speed, roughly related to weight and available braking. Class 4 trains (fast freight, containers) can do 75; class 6 (regular freight) 60. Heavy freight (classes 7 and 8) are limited to 45 and 30. The first digit in the service number/headcode tells you the class.
     
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  48. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    On the 86 why does power not come back on after some natural zones.
     
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  49. samuelpower2001

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    Have to sometimes manually reset it.
     

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