Ah ok, every video I had seen had exclusively shown /7s and a railforums post made reference to it pretty much being exclusively them so I must've got the wrong impression.
DTG Matt Hi Matt. What's the plan with the multifarious issues with the DC Lines? I bought a car recently, the brakes where faulty, I took it back in and the dealership got it fixed. Can we expect the same levels of customer service on the LO services now we can all see how broken it is?
Going through the Avanti timetable while at Euston, the amount of Avanti Services that are missing is absolutely ludicrous! I mean how the F do you miss all of these when you have RTT right infront of you! It got to the point it ain't even funny! 350 Tring services are all over the place. I mean it is an absolute disgrace it is. To just get the 'Timetable is final' yea thanks guys. Honestly fuming with the timetable. All the PIS is incorrect ALL OF IT!!!! Us as a community got to voice our concerns because we keep getting backstabbed every F'ing year! Rivet made it, it is clear as day this ain't a DTG product whatsoever but again DTG just hand it over to Rivet and acknowledged that we would be disappointed with the outcome hearing Rivet had quite a bit to do with WCML, so why on earth would you give it to Rivet knowing their very low and poor standards? I do seriously think in my head why on earth that decision was made, I just can't think of a logical reason whatsoever, someone please help me! I am speaking from passion and hopefully for others part of the community that have always wanted this route in the game. It is great we have all the stock (bar the Voyager) for this route. But the timetable makes it less alive than it should be. Whole timetable needs stripping and redoing. Example of bad timetables. 9G43- London Euston to Wolverhampton Meant to leave at 20:07. Not in the game. Wrong service change overs. Example Just arrived with 1B58 Which is Birmingham New Street to London Euston. After that should be 1F38 London Euston to Liverpool Lime Street. But no instead it turns into the 9G45 service From London Euston to Wolverhampton. The Previous service before 9G45 is 1M12 which is Glasgow Central to London Euston. Realtime Trains | Departures from London Euston around 1954 on 17/09/2024 All Information from Realtime Trains. Had my rant now. Thanks for taking your time to read it
I don’t mind the route. I have had memory issues playing and it is difficult to add a free roam service without it going haywire but I was warned beforehand and this is the price to pay for the series s. The light baking issue in Euston and the tunnels needs sorting. I do think the timetable needs abit of a top up and I do think too much detail has been put into the surroundings which has impacted performance. I do see people’s comments with regards to Rivet as I am noticing some similarities between Glasgow - Edinburgh and WCML and the bugs and features present.
A bit off topic but is there any mention of including the WCML traffic on the original Bakerloo line? I know we have route hopping as a feature now but I'd like to play a B'loo service in one sitting if possible, just gave it a whirl today with the ItsYa165 Sound Mod and it's a lovely route IMO just needs some traffic to liven it up. Thanks
The reality is UK content is going to suffer as long as Rivet are involved. German routes are fine because the supplementary help are passionate skilled developers with standards. Unfortunately UK fans get stuck with Rivet who have no standards and are beyond help at this point given they still do this after 5/6 releases.
Good question, I was gonna ask that myself. Bakerloo could do with an upgrade even if it was only new traffic.
Yes and no, Rivet may create routes for TSW, but I am sure DTG have a certain amount of control regarding letting them produce a DLC for TSW and they should be quality checking them?
Had the game since Thursday last week. Tuesday night was the first ever crash to the PS5 front end. Sent the report off. Played about 28 hours so far, 8 of those was a livestream. I was walking around Euston after finishing a 710 service, getting collectibles. That's it. I wasn't surprised it crashed to be honest as I was downloading 109 pieces of DLC. Personally I don't think it's crashing as much as it is the the PS4. The routes we'll wcml mainly do need more optimisation and that will hopefully come. Hentis
I think it's been switched around quite a lot. Nowadays, it's mostly 377/7s, but there was a period in 2018 where all WCML Southern services were booked to be 377/2s and 377/7s were used solely on 3rd rail lines.
Used to be double 377/2s (8 carriages) but since withdrawal of the 455s it's pretty much always a single 377/7s (5 carriages). Would be nice if the timetable had 8 carriage 377s rather than the current 4 but that's the least of its problems.
That's my thought too. I use the Southern service every day (well I say every day, when it's not cancelled!) and from my POV it's exclusively 377/7s now. As you say it used to be 8 carraige /2s when it ran to MK, when it was cut back it was brought down to a single /2 set and shortly after that replaced with single /7 sets which at least have the benefit of being 5 carraiges. When I saw the /2 was being made instead of the /7 it was quite a shame as it would be nice to have a newer 377 variant with the newer bodyshell, new TPWS etc., so I'd hoped in return they might have the slightly older timetable with 8 carraige /2s running all the way to MKC to liven up the route a little bit more.
On another note, it was highlighted that there are random 90 minute gaps in the 710 timetable as well discussed now. But looking through the 350 timetable it's the same story - eg. if you look through the 1Yxx EUS-BHM via LBZ services there are similarly trains every half hour as there should be, then a few times a day a random 90 minute gap in services before they carry on again. Likewise with 2T Tring services and others. Bit of a strange pattern which makes me wonder did they simply run out of time or are there certain times where the system couldn't handle that many trains?
They should have made sure that the person who did the Brighton mainline timetable (Joe I believe ) worked on this timetable . I think then it would be unlikely that so many people would be complaining.
Anyone else noticed the sub-par scenery beyond trackside between Tring and Watford? It's just a plain grass texture, clearly Rivet have changed nothing since Fife Circle release.
There are plenty of Uk routes that are DTG and Rivet, like Cathcart. Even Rivets own lines like The IoW and IoW22 are decent. On joint routes, it appears that Rivet usually do the scenery, leaving DTG to do the rest. I think DTG trying to crank out 3 brand new routes is the main issue here, this route clearly seems to have been the least ready
To be honest with you, being a real life driver over this whole section of the route, the DTG timetable is accurately as chaotic as what Wembley Mainline SCC and Rugby SCC have to deal with with the Network Rail working timetable. I think there are reasons why DTG have missed a fair few services off their timetable, which is probably caused by their dispatching system and what it would do with too many trains.
I was replying to a post about Avanti services, not the DC timetable. Not even looked at the that yet. The amount of freight missing is a bit of a joke as well, but we'll leave that for another time!
What TOC you drive for if you don't mind me asking? I was mainly talking about the Avanti Services, lots of Pendolino services are missing. But is a complete joke. But this ain't a DTG timetable it is rivet timetable as DTG would of done 100% better than this.
I am yet to drive in WCMLS as I'm still away. I have to agree the Fife track side scenery is on the same standard as 2010 stuff. Looks like the biggest effort was put into the bridge and stations with very little time budget remaining for anything else of any quality.
Then I suggest everyone pipes down with blaming people until it's announced who did what and what the plan is to fix it. No point throwing shade around at developers if it isn't their mistake. This is one of the reasons that things are kept at arms length.
This is why DTG need to stop this limit development time BS. I’m having more enjoyment playing the WCML on TSC though as the route goes all the way to Birmingham, they cut 50% of the route on TSW. I have more fun driving the 710 than anything else.
Exactly my thoughts, but unfortunately, people want someone to blame, and Rivet are their go to. I mean, look at Maintalbahn, that wasn't a shining star of a route, and Rivet didn't get involved with that. I feel like people something thing DTG can do no wrong
Not sure if this has been mentioned (it probably has!), but is it just me or does the 390 sound exactly the same whether you’re doing 85 MPH or 125 MPH, the run sounds seem a little odd. Also, and this is me being a filthy rivet counter, aren’t they all running in reverse formation? I’m sure the 1st class end is usually at the London end of the train. Edit: The announcements at Euston about trains passing through at high speed made me chuckle
Yes correct, IF going towards Glasgow, First class should always be at the Rear of the train not the front.
We can establish that the timetable isn't DTGs and the build of the WCML are absolute hallmarks of Rivets (its very similar in a lot of ways to Fife Circle). Let's also look at the American and German routes side by side and then compare them to the WCML, how comes the quality is a lot higher? I'd happily go as far as saying Rivet done the majority of the work. Although, regardless of who made it, DTG need to take the flack because they are the publishers and have allowed the WCML to be launched in the state it has and think that it is a acceptable standard.
Incorrect. Some units do run in reverse if they've operated on a different route before. Very rare for them to have first class at the front going North, but not impossible.
Would be great if DTG could get the GBRf license. Would transform both this and other routes. Bryer Any news?
I know Rivet doesn't have the best reputation on here, there was (and is) much disappointment with some of their releases, but ultimately this is a DTG Core Release route and it all sits with them. I don't know why the end consumer needs to know the nitty gritty of what Dev placed which Tree in the game, we just need to know that DTG recognise it's not up to scratch and that they are going to improve it. As an example - If it's not possible to put a full timetable in - then explain the restrictions and inform on what can be done.
Well, I've actually played WCML South now.... Thank God for cheap Gamepass subs on grey market websites. Ran 2K07 London Euston - Milton Keynes with the class 350 (was around 8am I think?) Terrible bright lighting, broken tunnel occlusion, awful gaps in the OHLE with missing wires everywhere (including right outside Milton Keynes station, which would have been impossible for beta testers to miss).... So yeah, I'm never touching this route again. Gonna pick-up the US Regional Edition when it goes under £10 and skip the rest, because dealing with the floating cars on the freeway is still less painful than having to play WCML South ever again. Patches ain't gonna fix this dumpster fire.
Would a full 710 & 72 Stock timetable be any more complicated than, say, BML or LIRR 2.0? On the latter, a lot was touted about how many services go through Jamaica at peak time.
I think "dumpster fire" is a bit strong.... Having done a few runs out of Euston as far as Tring in a 350 I haven't noticed too many issues yet. The scenery and overall presentation look pretty decent to me, to be honest, and I'm enjoying it so far. That said, it's not perfect - there's less 'traffic' than I'd expect on such a busy route, despite the fact that I own all the relevant DLC. There are also fairly frequent frame rate 'stutters' which shouldn't really be a thing on XBOX Series X in this day and age. Reports of inadequate lighting are disappointing - I hate driving in pitch darkness and was hoping that this route would be well lit. I'm yet to do a night time run on the route myself, however, so guess I should reserve judgement. I literally laughed out loud when I first heard about conductor mode, incidentally. I couldn't understand why anybody would want to spend their time *not* driving and checking tickets instead. Having tried it on a 350 out of sheer curiosity, however, I found it strangely therapeutic. A bit like TSW in general I guess.... Can't quite believe it, though!
I don't know to be honest, maybe something to do with the way they interact at Euston. It very likely might not be that at all, it just seems odd to miss certain services out.
