I don't know what the reasons are, just as much as you don't. But if timetables consume memory and they are having memory problems, then it could be an issue and might be at least a partial explanation for why there are inexplicable gaps in the timetable.
That would not be an issue on PC, and individual layers can be disabled for console. So normally not really an excuse for a skeleton timetable, but if it was Rivet’s work, they might have decided to just made one crappy timetable for all as it’s quicker and easier. Who knows!
Players who raise issues on here or complain as you put it, are doing so for the betterment of the game.....Shock horror! Not to step on peoples toes or to cause upset to DTG staff.
Sorry but that is just plain nonsense as far as pc’s go, which is my area, consoles I know nothing about. The proof in the pudding is the work done by modders, prime example the 700 timetable added to the BML which added dozens of new services to the timetable to the point where the line looked completely authentic. There was no memory issues at all. Hence that particular myth was exploded, but we still see people clinging to it in an attempt to excuse the game makers for not adding a proper timetable.
No issues doesn’t mean there wasn’t an increase in memory use. Unless you know what the current memory usage is on WCML & what additional footprint a heavier timetable would result in, you can’t say it wouldn’t cause an issue.
The problem with memory usage on WCMLS appears to be from Watford Junction to Euston, something loads in at Watford which causes huge RAM spiking (on my system), however I have enough RAM to cope with it, I'd imagine if the jump is the same on consoles, that it's then holding the massive asset or assets in memory, and that the intensive nature of Euston is just causing it to prolapse and crash. I've seen the usage go from 10GB at Kings Langley to nearly 32GB exiting the southern portals of the Watford tunnels.
I did ponder whether the issues arise from splicing in the original overground section of Bakerloo. All the FPS drops etc I've encountered have been in the vicinity of Harrow And Wealdstone. Just a thought...
Adding services does not mean a memory issue on pc's, on consoles they provide reduced timetables. The BML is a very busy line and the modded timetable (which as has been said is complete) ran as smooth as a babies bottom meaning there was memory to spare, not even judders, in fact better than some routes with far less services! You can argue till you go blue in the face but the evidence is there. If there is a memory surge on WCMLS (I don't have it yet) then it's another cause than the number of trains in screen at any one time, most likely scenery related. DTG have announced the WCMLS is going to be revised by them in them in time, so I suggest therein lies your answer.
Once again player pressure has caused DTG to relook at a product recently sold and improve it. I very much welcome this and I will take a fresh look at WCMLS with a view to purchasing it at full price once the improvements have been made. I would argue that what some term "moaning" and "whining" achieves results to the benefit of all. I'm not sure what being a fanboy actually achieves for anyone except perhaps some perverse personal satisfaction just to be different. I make no apology for using the term "fanboy" as it's no different the derogatory terms "moaner" and "whiners" being used, they can't have it both ways.
Not sure whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with my post, maybe read it again. But let's just say I encourage persistent complaining since it sometimes works, just like a kid causing a fuss in the candy line. And what's wrong with causing a little " upset " to DTG staff ( or rather management ), if that's what it takes to get a positive reaction?
You know, by using derogatory terms such as "fanboy", it doesn't make you any better. Instead of stooping to their level, why not be the bigger, more mature one rather than being childish and resorting to name calling.
If the issue of memory usage spikes south of Watford is thought to be the inclusion of the overground section of the Bakerloo, then surely it should be possible to test that by using the new layer management function to exclude Bakerloo. And by implication, should not DTG already have done that and therefore can answer that question?
No, because that section is baked in and is not a layer. What is being referred to is that the section from Harrow to Queen's Park was reused in terms of modelling and extended upon to form the new route
Exactly. So long as its respectful and constructive. I'm sure they are all good people, I had the pleasure of meeting Matt many years ago at the NRM Cab It event, 2002 or 2003 I think it was when MSTS was at its height - few beers after, great guy. But as the EP of a high profile product for a multi £million company also not afraid to post about where I feel things are going wrong and as EP he is in the rather unenviable position of having to motivate the troops, fend off the searching questions from higher up and take on board the customer criticism.
Just been doing my research, found that we are missing 7 more services for the 390 back to Wembley Intercity Depot. Only 4 Services back to the depot from Euston. When their should be 11.. The 4 we got is 5M86 and 5A61 (/1 services) and 5A83 and 5M62 (/0 services) somehow missing 7... So we are missing 5A72/ 5M17/5A80/5M18/5M60/5M19/5A82. Checking morning services from Wembley Intercity depot, we have got all of them and no missing gaps. No doubt this is due to big gaps in the 390 timetable. Thankfully Liam is sorting it out and not sure if Liam was aware with this. DTG Liam Sorry for the Tag but hope this helps Realtime Trains | Departures from Wembley Inter City Depot between 2000 and 0400 on 09/10/2024
Would also be nice for a "Caledonian Sleeper" morning and evening moves with Class 47's at each end with some sort of coaching stock in the middle ;-)
Also as well, some of the services have incorrect times on them Doing 5H03, service starts at 0622. In IRL meant to start at 0609
Come on guys not let go off topic and all by civil please! Now I don’t want my feedback getting buried between arguments
But they are developing the game for both types of platform and don't distinguish between PCs and the latest gen consoles, i.e. the lowest common denominator wins, so your opening snort doesn't mean very much. Sure, the modders have headroom but I bet they'd struggle if they were able to get their stuff onto console. (My 'area' is (also) commercial C++ software development on PC, UNIX (in the day) and Mac.)
I had a go Euston - Wembley run and it is honestly the most cursed thing I’ve ever seen lol. That needs fixing so bad, no way they had access to route maps/videos let alone driver input for that.
It is terrible mate. RTT is pretty accurate and for the route to be set in the current timetable WCML has but somehow yet mess up lots of services when you have RTT and other sources Publicly available is just not acceptable, repeated myself time and time again but how they have big gaps in the timetable I do not know.
There’s so many cab rides on YouTube of that section and it’s literally in London I don’t know how they messed up that section
