Wcml South - Not Good Enough

I think that Dad Rail comes across as condescending. Every 30 seconds he likes to tell you that he’s a real class 66 driver!

 

I don't mind Dad rail. His streams are usually quite good and I feel he speaks his opinion as well as things he would like to change about the game.

 

I like Dadrail as it is interesting to see the sim from a real drivers perspective. plus it is interesting to hear about the life of a train driver. British Ace is very relaxing.

 

Regarding the rumours about the route being done by Rivet….. Didn’t they do an equally bad job of the highspeed section of the original SEHS route when TSW3 launched?

 

Do you think they will have a video up before the 17th? Any how we'll be finding out more this week regarding WCMLS.

 

Both versions of SEHS were done exclusively by DTG were they not?

 

But they did a fantastic job helping with Cathcart Circle. Thats the problem with them, they hit out of the park and you think oh they are changing, but then they take 2 steps back. IOW and IOW 2022, and Beninaline were great. But then you have the 204, the 1938 stock, WCL disaster, average stuff like Arosa, Luzerne and Edibugh Glasgow. Fife Circle which has so much potential and great gameplay but the scenery has been buggered.

 

Yes they have a video set for Wednesday and it will proably be mentioned there ...or a link to a statement on the forums as they did on the WCML stream and ignore it.

But there is the Frankfurt-Fulda preview. And you have already seen what your getting with WCML and San Brenardino, I wouldn't expect any changes prior to release because of what they said last statement.

Sounds more like they are looking at a post release patch. And if your main concern is the timetable, remember the NYT timetable took a few months before it came out. And I really doubt any changes to the scenery would come before that.

 

Unlikely. I think they will just let their free marketing dept i.e. the ambassadors to show the route.

 

This is my first taste of a new DTG game release as I came to TSW4 in April, I'm waiting to see how this week pans out before I do anything. I will be missing the early discounts for sure.

 

This is the danger of living in an echo chamber, as ineloquently betrayed by the use of the word 'fanboys'. It's generally best to watch/read/listen to a range of opinions, which can then inform your own, rather than simply seeking out sources which reinforce your own biases. Using derogatory terms to belittle those who might not agree with you is pretty silly.

 

I think something that's really striking about the whole WCML release, is that this thread entitled 'WCML South - Not Good Enough' has had over 1,250 responses.

obviously not all those will be 100% relevant to the original thread title.. but what strikes me the most is that this route should be such a positive inclusion to TSW. A highly requested UK route with a busy timetable. Not just a busy timetable but a timetable that is achievable, with the game already having the Class 710 and London Underground stock ready to go for layering.

This thread should have been celebrating how great this route looked, how great and immersive the timetable is.. but yet over 1,250 responses have been generated about how this is quote 'Not Good Enough', because unfortunately that is what we've been presented with as things stand

i'm personally hoping all the timetable issues amongst others do get resolved, but my point is we shouldn't be needing to talk about that at all.. we should be looking forward to a great UK route being released, but it has to be acknowledged that the pre-release of WCML South has been, to quote this thread title, Not Good Enough.

it just feels like so much around this release has been a little deflating and a bit of a let down. Really hope in time that I (and many others) are proved wrong and this turns out to be a great route with an excellent timetable offering, but the reality is that should have been showcased already by now, which i think is a big part of why there has been such a big response to this thread.

A live stream should show us all what we have to look forward to, and not show us so many missing parts to what we were looking forward to, so i do think the powers that be should take note of the strength of feeling that has clearly been shown.

 

You probaly won't have to I'm sure people other than DTG will be streaming during early access so you probly will have a good feel before the 17th.

The preorded discount will apply until the end of the day on the 16th. And if your Xbox there will still be a 10% discount if you have Gamepass after the 17th.

 

Hit the nail on the head there. Completely agree with you.

The route which is getting the celebrated most out of the TSW5 announcements (and rightfully so too as it looks utterly fantastic with Liams hard work), is the GWE Remaster. Whilst GWE definitely deserves recognition in its own right, having it look better then the flagship UK route for TSW5, and making the WCML look abysmal says alot about the whole WCML project and high lights what is wrong with it... An older remastered route making the new WCML launch route look completely poor and lacking... Something isn't right about that? They should mirror each other with excellence and be equal with their appeal, it should not be a case of the older remastered route looking far better.

 

appreciate it mate! Yeah it’s a shame! It came as a shock to me as I feel UK stuff is usually better off with quality (as compared to US) but I learned very quickly if there is any possibility rivet has touched it, then…

NOT an ambassador, it was something I sorta wanted at one point but i don’t really feel much interest anymore. I just want to play and talk about TSW without feeling any sort of pressure to sugar coat anything.

 

appreciate you!

YES. Blu’s great! He’s a great guy too.

 

Caught a couple of Blu’s Run 8 videos the other day and yes he is a very good reviewer/demonstrater. Think he also does a bit with the flight sims too, liked his Bhutan (I think it was) difficult landing clip.

 

No problem, there are enough ambassadors talking up releases already. If I followed the majority of those YT streams I probably would have bought every route at RRP regardless of quality, only find out myself that many were sub standard, so I'm glad of channels like yours.
It's the same with me, I enjoy US content and I've seen the poor standard of anything American over the years which has riled me too. I've spoke my mind on here about that as well. US content seems to be on a lower tier than UK and German, which isn't right. I don't believe access is the only reason.
The current state of WCML is a disgrace as a flagship route, and I intend to get the free update and just await developments. That's the only way to focus DTG's minds.

 

You came to TSW4 last April...Mmmmmm I think that was about the time some of the problems with it got solved, so I would be in no big rush to pick up TSW5, get the free version, but not even sure about transfering progress yet.

 

That frog is back again Rivet Rivet Rivet it is down to DTG as they claimed as theirs, down to DTG to sort.

 

Ok, what is your view on the wcml review the other night? As some here do no believe you are non bias?

 

Wow so it's ok for us critics of some DTG releases to be routinely labeled as "whiners" and "moaners" then? But you get all huffy when someone says the DTG apologists are fanboys? I think that is called double standards. You had the nerve to chastise me for giving an opinion as to a balanced YouTuber because you decided you don't like him (presumably because unlike some he's not a DTG bot?)

Don't try and take the moral high ground with me by quoting such snotty words as "ineloquently" because you seem to think you are superior in some way either. It strikes me that the 3 or 4 people on here who routinely ignore all the problems with this game, actually are unable to argue their point when it comes to actual facts, instead they try and talk down at people as if they are superior intellects. The few of you seem to scan posts and then intervene to protect DTG which is rather strange thing to do in all honesty. Are you employed by them?

I would say your alleged "echo chamber" is more like an "echo stadium" the size of Wembley judging by the length and responses on the two "enough" threads. What is worse are people who follow something with blind faith regardless of evidence streamed by DTG themselves, and making things worse for everybody by pretending no problem exists and everything is rosy.
It's the critics, such as Train Sim Society and others on here, who have campaigned for improvements to the game, such as the first ever free core upgrade and fixing of major bugs etc, who people like you who are just nodding heads about everything DTG do, can benefit too.

I don't wish to get into an argument with the likes of you as I've better things to do than bang my head against a wall, so have a nice day.

 

Anywho...DTG are going to be coming back to us this week with an update? Who wants to take a guess what they come back with?

 

We hear you, we're looking into X and Y, it won't be in the release but.....

 

From memory, I don't think the High speed section was Rivet, I think it was another company with DTG doing the national rail section.

But I could be wrong.

 

We've listened to your questions and concerns regarding WCML south, and so here are some answers for questions that nobody asked.

 

We already know from DTGs own words to expect 'minimal changes' between the stream version and release. What we saw is what we'll get, and historically we know the value of DTG promises to fix or otherwise improve stuff post release as a company.
A great pity after the early optimism post TSW5 reveal.

 

I think you might have inflamed this thread by telling people who they should and should not watch on YouTube. Just my opinion.

 

No I didn't.

 

Very eloquently put, you sum up how we are all feeling.

To make matters worse I have a Bluray of a Class 390 travelling from London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly taken from a driver view point. No, I do not expect it to be visually identical, but the 390 audio is nothing like it, which is bad. Then in the streams DTG are telling us how amazing their expanded audio team are.