Route West Coast Main Line: London Euston - Milton Keynes - Feedback

I do admit that this is a very good route, again not up to Blackpool Branches standards, but its not far behind, if you look at the real world there's more clutter, more rubbish etc, it just seems too clean in places, amazed that WJD is completely empty....why DTG?.
Track sounds are very quiet, choppy GFX at Euston when setting up the train. But apart from the it is a very good route.

 

Re the signalling, it probably needs the in house expert at DTG to “snag” the whole route and check for missing or incorrectly set up AWS ramps etc.

 

Did one of the 710 ECS trips from Willesden to Euston.
When you board the train, it appears to be set up for DC, despite being on an AC only line, as the ‘lower shoes’ button is flashing.
Also, despite going through the ‘AWS & TPWS Operational’ Sequence, it doesn’t seem to have any AWS working.

 

Have a look on You Tube, saw a new tutorial for TSW5 version of the 72TS and there are plenty of tutorials from when it was first released. Not ideal but there's enough out there to get the unit moving.

 

Class 350, Service 1W57 out of Euston at 17:19

Green lights all the way until I faced a double yellow at the end of Bushey Platform 3. I drive with the next signal aspect off, so I never know what is coming. I started to slow, and was doing 80mph by the time I came round the corner and saw a single yellow. It was max breaks from here on out but I was still doing 25mph as I passed through the next signal which was red. I was going to be slowing for Watford Junction anyway at the point at which I hit the double yellow, and maybe it is just route learning and I need to be thinking of stopping outside Watford Junction rather than the platform, and therefore slowing down sooner, but given how late you see these signals because of the bends, it feels like the signalling isn't quite giving enough notice of the need to stop in this instance.

 

Ps5- Window seats in the end coaches of the 377/2 can not be sat in

 

Did a couple of early morning runs on the WCML route early yesterday afternoon, and despite what some of the community have been saying it was busy. One of these was also on the 72 stock run to Harrrow and Wealdstone. I also tried the same service that Daisey did on the WCML stream (the Class 350, 0803? service off Euston). On the stream it did look bad and the LOD looked bad. On my run lyesterday afterbnoon, it looked great. (I was on the PS5 and TSW 5 was running off an internal custom 2TB SSD). The Framerate was good. A few things of note and what I hopefully look forward to seeing.

• Newer busier timetable
• More varied freight (not just Intermodal traffic) *
  Have a look at this link, it shows more thatn just intermodal, and yes I am well aware some of it would have to be AI Services. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...9-13/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=freight&order=wtt
• More static consists in Wembley / Willsden Yards
• More static locos around Wembley
• Off world destinations need to go in on PIS on Stations and trains.
• Noted "This is a LNWR service made of 4 coaches" scrolling freely in the station PIS
• The route is ripe for an APT
• Hopefully see the Class 325 making an appearence.

Matt has already stated that Euston station is going in for another light baking session.
* Regarding the varied freight. How many of you would rather see the DB Red Laaers L07A 2x2 Axle Car carriers added into the timetable as freight. Last time I looked there were car trains running on the WCMl through Harrow & Wilsden.

Anyhow thats my 2 cents worth at the moment.
Thoroughly enjoying TSW 5 and the WCML at the moment. Looking forward to seeing the updates.

Hentis

 

Freight trains seem to be set up for a maximum speed of 90mph, this should be 75 at the absolute max!

 

Getting pretty fed up of the game crashing every time I approach Euston.

 

The scenery between Harrow & Wealdstone and Wembley Central is diabolical - at the former you have floating roads visible from the cab, no car stop markers and houses that are about 15 meters from the roads.

 

(Class 390) 1FT16 London Euston - Liverpool Lime Street, has a red signal outside Milton Keynes even if I delete the train in front.

 

Class 350 shoe clips though 3rd rail

 

My Feedback on WCML so Far
WCML
So after playing a good 5 hours now I think, I am thoroughly enjoying the variation of services on this, majority of the scenery is really good zooming past constant 390s and 350s and occasional 377. Runs really well on PS5, only crash I have had was taking the last 390/1 service to Wembley Intercity Depot. Not sure why. Only a few frame drops. So I love it and enjoying it lots.
PIS I do find a bit done in the lazy end, for example if a train is going to Birmingham New Street, it should say Birmingham New Street, not 'Birmingham' or same for Euston should say London Euston not 'Euston' etc That really does annoy me, and I think I have seen DTG Matt mention you are going to sort the off world destination thing if I am to be correct? It should of been on during release I understand it ain't easy but in 5th TSW now it should pretty much be standard.
390 Feedback
So I am absolutely enjoying the Class 390, the suspension and the tilt is just stunning, makes it feel like I am in the Cab in real life. Runs well, I honestly got no complaints about the drive. Would be nice if you could sometime in the future get actual running sounds but understand if not. My complaint is that it probs has been mentioned but the first class is the wrong end as if at Euston going towards Glasgow Central the first class should be at the rear of the train not the front, DTG Matt Will this get fixed as just cautious as those may not of rode on Avanti before and may get on the wrong carriage because the 390 ingame says its here but IRL its at the other end which could end up having complaints from the TOC itself.

When a AI services arrived into Milton Keynes going Euston way, it shows that it isn't in service but it is and it only switches to the route when it reaches service start time, I do find that a bit annoying. It be nice to have a TM buzz the Guard buzzer and then we guard back as that is what happens IRL.

350 Feedback
Loving the 350, haven't really got many complaints I can think of tbh. Though Did have an issue which I did record when I turned off the headlights, put on tail lights, took off master key and put into Off position the train still had the headlights on. It is recorded so I can always upload that to YouTube and provide a link for it if you want.
Be nice if we were able to change the destination on the train tbh Same with the 390.
Other than that, really well done it is.

 

I think theres something wrong with underground service 2A24 and it gave me a bit of a scare at the start!

If you haven't yet tried it give it a go and you'll see what i mean within a minute of starting!

(The other service is 5J45 at 6:27)

Service 2A22 gets off to a bumpy start too!

Still loving the route though.

 

DTG Alex there is also a feedback thread in the "General Discussion" area.

Are you going to merge the threads?

 

How many miles is Milton Keynes to London Euston?, the game says its 44 miles but the measurements provided by NR state 49.9 miles

 

One last thing. A few requests or suggestions. My main one is more layers. I’m sure many other people would agree but layers are needed. Such as ROG 37, RHTT 66, more freight utilising other DLCs such as SEHS, east coast way, ecml, also, im sure railtours would be much appreciated. These could be IRL replicas, I don’t know much about wcml railtours but im sure others can help. I’m sure the community wouldn’t say no to fiction al ones. These could include the WCL railtours pack, class 20, 31, 52, 37 ect. Also Preston-Blackpool 47 would be amazing. Also, making the class 350s 8 car primarily would be great. Also adding more services to the 710. Also, a feature to be able to disable livery’s in timetable mode would be nice. This would then say, if I downloaded a fake SWR 450 livery for the 350, I could disable it not seeing it in timetable mode. Also disabling the original livery if it was debranded ect in favour of making your own branded livery would help. This would also allow to edit the era the route is set in. For example WCML, I could make it so every 66 is in EWS livery, every 390 is in Virgin livery, and every 350 in London midland. This could also be used on other routes. Also making the improvements/ fixes other have suggest would be good.

 

The game measures the distance as the crow flies if I remember correctly. It doesn't take into account curves etc which would add to the distance.

 

Makes sense with the amount of curves on this route it would add to the milage quite quickly
cheers

 

2K10 service from MK to Euston. Class 350. I saved the game at Tring, I have just returned to play the saved game, I have opened the doors, which have opened but its saying Load Passengers 'unlock the doors' but the doors are open. Passengers are also getting stuck at the doors, at Tring and other stations too.

When taking a picture with the motion blur enabled, there are parts of the pic which are not ..eg. All the pic has motion blur except the top left front of the train. You can see the line when the motion blur has not enabled when it should be, I have managed to get a screen shot, but I can't upload it until the 17th.

PS5

 

It’s not as bad as has been made out in my opinion, though not up to Suffragette and Blackpool standards. The lack of 710s when they come will be a problem to me though.
What I do find annoying (and is a trait of Rivet, particularly on WCL) is the detail in the immediate vicinity of the station. They do a good job of modelling stations (as can be seen on Cathcart) but it all goes to pot when you use the camera to look outside the station. As this is a rail simulator, I don’t expect perfection for miles around (as long as the view is good and accurate from the cab whilst driving, but the immediate vicinity of the station can often be seen from the cab/ passenger seat and when going to external free view when waiting at the station and the lack of detail can be offputting. Harrow and Wealdstone is particularly bad and reminds me of Rivet’s interpretation of Camborne (which you can see from the cab).

 

Dovetails milage for each route (well every) is as the crow flies. It doesnt include if the route has to double back on it self. Something to do with unreal engine (I think) not being able to calculate it properly. <--- needs checking.

Hentis

 

This is potentially an excellent route. Most of the obvious bugs such as the light baking at Euston and the disco effects in Kensal Green Tunnel have been noted by DTG.

For me, there are two infuriating issues.
Too many 4 car 350 workings. They are nearly always 8 cars.
The perfunctory (that's the politest word I could find) Overground timetable. I was really looking forward to driving up and down the DC Lines but it's as if TfL staff are on strike and there are a few workings being done by non-union staff. Please, please, please fix this DTG Alex The full timetable is probably impossible but even if it's just a half-hourly service for LO and LU services it would be better.

 

Hello,

I just wanted to say that I’m very impressed with the Class 350—it's a bit of a masterpiece, so well done (I look forward to seeing the new suspension system added to this train) I do have a few observations about the sounds that I’d like to share:

• Air Conditioning: (when turned on) It seems the emitter is positioned in the center of the cab, which is fine, but the range of the sound feels too short. When sitting in the driver’s seat, you can only hear the air con from your right ear, which feels unnatural. Ideally, this sound should be heard more evenly throughout the cab.
  
• Air Conditioning Loop: (when turned on) There appears to be a noticeable click in the loop, possibly due to a bad zero-crossing in the audio.
• Electrical Buzzing in the Cab: Occasionally, I’ve noticed an ambient electrical buzzing sound when sitting in the cab, but other times it’s completely silent. I’m unsure if this is intentional or if the sound is cutting out unexpectedly.
  
• Running Sounds: The running sounds are fantastic and seem richer and fuller compared to other trains in the game. I’m not sure if it’s due to a larger audio extent or a higher sample rate, but it’s well done. To take it a step further, it would be great to add a sound layer for the wind buffeting against the driver’s windscreen—something that’s missing from most trains in the game.
• Running Sounds Loop: There appears to be a noticeable click in the loop, possibly due to a bad zero-crossing in the audio around 25-50mph.
• Cab Window: The clicks and clunks of the window opening/closing could be a little louder to balance with everything else.

That’s all for now. Thank you for considering these points!

 

Hello,

A few observations from the Class 377/2 in terms of audio.

• AWS Clear/Bing: The volume is way too loud—it's actually painful! In contrast, the AWS Horn/Warn sounds perfectly balanced.
• DSD Alarm: The volume could use a slight boost to better balance with the other sounds.
• Passenger/Cab Door Sounds: These sound quite weak and could benefit from a volume increase to improve balance.
• Cab Insulation: The sound insulation feels excessive. Passing trains are barely audible, and the difference between being inside the cab and stepping outside is too pronounced.
• Flange Sounds: Approaching Watford Junction, Platform 10, I expected to hear flange noises but didn’t notice any.

That’s all for now. Thank you for considering these points!

 

Noticed a couple things out of place on platforms.

Harrow & Wealdstone - Signal Phone base is below the platform resulting in it being too low.

Watford Junction - 2 signs in one spot giving a weird thing


General - Passengers with Umbrellas out in clear sunny weather.

 

In Scenario Planner, all of the paths south from Milton Keynes are on the fast lines.

With regard to the crashing approaching Euston, this happened to me on Xbox One S in Scenario Planner with only one train on the route, suggesting it's related to the scenery and not the number of trains in the vicinity.

 

A lot of the route tends to lag and the frame rate seems to be between 30 and 40 even 20 I’ve had as a Gen 9 player more specific Xbox series X

 

Is this how the lighting is supposed to work? All I see in the tunnel is a black screen, as if I've fallen into a black hole.
And I have very strong FPS downs, drops up to 10-13.

Spoiler: Screenshots

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Just drove a service from MKC to Euston On my series S. frame rate smooth for the whole journey, even in Euston but as soon as I stop in Euston, the game just crashes. It’s playable but not playable at the same time.

 

Same thing happens to me. Hope this gets fixed at some point.

 

Another thing I've noticed: AI Trains don't drive at top line speed, they go roughly 10-15 below the max.

 

This was a pic that I was referring to earlier, the top left part of the train you can see that's there is no motion blur

 

You can read this announcement by DTG Alex:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...ts-compatible-add-ons-gen8-class-377-2.84679/

 

Yeah it’s annoying because the route is smooth throughout but as soon as I stop in Euston, the game just wants to turn off, kinda annoying now.

 

PC Player on Steam

This won't help with frame rate.

 

Class 350 Service 1Y56: Birmingham New Street to London Euston calls at Bletchley, Leighton Buzzard and Euston. But after Leighton Buzzard, Watford Junction should be the next stop.
Shown here by RTT Realtime Trains | 1Y56 1636 Birmingham New Street to London Euston | 13/09/2024
I don't know how these things are missed when you literally have Realtime trains right Infront of you and very easy to use!

 

Like a fault in the holodeck

 

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but Primrose Hill tunnel up and down fast lines have no AWS inside the tunnel so there is no ping or bleep for the signals.

 

There are a couple of distant skyline buildings, the Shard being one of them, that have a short render distance and therefore don't actually appear visible in the play area.

 

When scrolling I have seen a number of reports concerning 350's PIS, but I don't think this particular issue has been reported (sorry if I missed it).

I boarded some random 350 at Milton Keynes Central, a non-stop service to Euston. External PIS showed the destination correctly and so did the internal screens in head cars. But scrrens in inner two cars (which do not have external PIS) showed, for some reason, Crewe as the destination.

PC/Steam, can't give a service number though.

 

Class 350 door slam sounds not audible when all doors shut. Only can hear it when close local door on guard mode.

 

And these lights at Junctions don't emit light at night. They only emit light at MK

 

Watford Junction station on the Lioness Line there are floating cable hangar wires on approach to the platforms.

 

2T72 Tring to EUS when playing on Guard mode spawns you at Esuton rather than Tring

 

why are a lot of missing services of the class 710?

 

710 doesn’t release till the 17th along with the other routes, unless you’re on PC I believe.

 

I have TSW 5 on steam, but there are a lot of class 710 services mising

 

That’s the reason why I keep getting yellows on the way to Euston!

 

The timetable for the 710 is a bit lacklustre from what I've read.