This thread is becoming a disgrace. It's been pinned because it's supposed to be important to the community. So what do we get? We've stopped getting useful discussion of the problems about WCML South and updates from DTG. Instead we're now getting some completely irrelevant 'facts' about the relative merits of cars long gone, that most readers have never owned and don't care about. It's like you don't care any longer about the fixing of this route. That the DTG moderator joined in this off-topic dribble and thereby encouraged it may say something about DTG's focus on correcting the route. If you want to talk cars that's fine, but start a new thread. Don't dilute the relentless pressure on DTG needed to fix this route.