What Id Do For Dtg And Other Developers To Go And Fix Their Products....

I mean there was a patch for the mildmay line that fixed none of the major issues that was claimed to be fixed in the patch notes

Nobody is demanding perfection here. I don't think players should accept things like blurry textures in the cab of the train. I don't think players should accept a train derailing out of nowhere. I don't think players should expect a game that has been out for 5 years to have inconsistent quality of routes at the prices DTG are asking and I can go on

I see complaints about similar threads that bring up issues with the game (despite the OP clearly noting that he wasn't even sure if it was brought up before and even though the topic may have been brought up before that he just wanted to voice his opinion) but what does it honestly say that there are multiple threads with complaints about various issues with the game. That is not a good thing. If the game didn't have so many problems it did have, people wouldn't be making these threads

If there are those who tired of seeing similar threads with complaints, they could just happily ignore them

 

the only dlc made directly by dtg that I really liked was the F59PHR (the boston-worcester one wasn't bad either but I can't say I was as excited as I was with the F59PHR)

 

You don't get the joke.

 

I agree that the primary mission of the Preservation Team was not bug squashing, but the results of that secondary activity were so successful that it as hard to understand why DTG did not continue to provide resources for the activity. My suspicion is that DTG is more interested in encouraging users to get the latest DLCs - my conspiracy theory - that is the secondary reason routes are so short - built in boredom factor Realistically, we have favorites, but how often do we actually go back to the early routes?

 

The same as we do old games. Either for nostalgia, or never.

 

Ah well, I hoped for more pieces of DLCs and the Core to have more fixes and stuff...
Back to dreaming

 

what do you mean we?
I say quite a lot of people go back to play older games, hell I still play the Xbox 360 edition of games.

Anyways back to tsw I play NTP, RT, MSB, RSN and few others more than I play the modern stuff like WCML modern, Frankfurt, ECML, and few others I can’t remember

 

Actually I just bought NTP for my PS5 version of the game. The Class 45 on a 65” screen and sound through decent speakers is a rather superb experience!

 

What a pity that so many wonderful old routes have been abandoned for good. I know that fixing and improving them does not generate income, but nobody is saying that they do it for free. I'm sure many people would pay for it and there are many ways to make that possible. But it doesn't seem to be in the DTG's plans.

 

These routes were expensive enough to start with so I'll be damned if I'm going to pay more to have them fixed.

 

Paying to have them fixed is one thing, but efforts such as the improvements to WSR or the upcoming GWE route, or (if on PC) the Jetwash group's fantastic work on WCMLS are different and I, for one, would seriously consider paying something for the results. The reality is that the effort involved in comprehensive legacy support/improvement demands resource allocation that DTG would find hard or impossible to recover through resulting revenue. So do they sacrifice profit, absorb the abuse, or raise DLC prices. I am sure they have price analysts working on those questions - amusingly an offshoot of 'Game Theory', specifically non zero-sum games.

 

If we're paying for improvements they should do like they did with Cathcart: release a paid DLC alongside it.

 

I would pay extra for 'improvements'. After all it takes me a huge amount of time and effort to make small improvements to the game myself so I'd be more than happy to pay for someone else to do it.

There are many nearly great routes out there that are worth revisiting. We all know which ones they are. In most cases they would make for a much better gaming experience than many of the TSW5 routes. Add a new loco, update the scenery, bung in more paths, maximise the timetable and you'd have a winner (or a number of winners).

So, IMHO, we should 'Go Back to the Future'. There's been a successful franchise built around this premise before so why not again?

 

now this is some reason finally

well, I for one often return to older routes... like, a couple days ago I played Northern Transpennine, an express service... or the other day when I did some runs on Rhein Ruhr Osten and Haupstrecke Rhein Ruhr... etc... the only one I dont return to is Luzern Sursee, as I know that its ETCS has never really been fixed

 

Don't think I would pay directly for a route improvement, but would support it either as part of an extension or if a new train DLC accompanied it like the 380 for Cathcart. But generally, job should be done right in the first place.

 

so that's how it is? we pay (and a lot) for a dlc and then have to pay more later to have bugs fixed?
it's unfortunate how some people think, where everything is for benefit of dtg and nothing for benefit of consumers
btw, the only way this would be acceptable to me would be what happened with cathcart circle line, as others already have pointed out here

 

Fixing is completely different to improving. If something is faulty (ie Blurry textures / Red lights in scenarios) then of course they should be fixed.

Actually, for me, what is even worse is when promises are made (ie The Editor) are then not so much broken but never even considered in the first place. TSW4 really was sold under false pretences in this regard.

But taking an older route and adding new scenery, adding new paths, expanding the timetable??? Yes I would pay for that. There's a whole thread on BCC, a route ripe for development as a network, which shows there is a market.

To those that say "I've already paid once" then buy it in a sale. (Or if you bought it in a sale the first time then you are no worse off). One of these new small developers should tackle an older route. I think it would be a useful exercise for them.

 

Of course, I totally agree with you. That's what I meant by paying, not just for them to fix the routes but to offer something else as well. Extensions, more rolling stock, new timetables, etc.
I wouldn't pay for a patch to fix something they should have done well before releasing it to the market either.

 

Yet people howled when DTG dared charge money for LIRR2 (with extensions, more rolling stock and a new timetable) rather than making it a free upgrade

 

Solution sell new train like the class 380 with the update and lock the new timetable behind,

if they make highly requested trains that fit old routes and add them while making the old route to tsw 5 standards

 

NTP with a class 55 or class 46 could work

 

I'd eat a Klondike bar.

 

Class 55s never went between Manchester and Leeds. Certainly not in 1983 when NTP is set.

 

They did appear now and again after being displaced by HST’s on the ECML but appears the last regular use was in December 1981. So it would need a bit of WCL artistic licence to put them on there in 1983, but that’s a compromise I could accept. However we wouldn’t be able to thrash them up to 100 MPH (and a bit over!).

 

Was going off what some people from the time said,
It could of be wrong but I do think if it did happen it wasn’t a common thing

 

Okay…, I was just going off some people from that time period saying it wasn’t a common thing ,it just occasionally happened

 

A piece of DLC I was buzzing for when it was announced but to then find it being charged for the price of a full single player game (INCLUDING their MEASLEY 10%(?) Discount).

I still haven't bought it. And waiting for it to go on sale at a steep discount.

 

The price takes into account the old track. It's not just an extension and new train and upgraded route. It's everything else included in it which is why the price is more expensive

 

Guys, I feel your pain, but you have to set your expectations low. What we've got isn't going to change much, so we have two choices. (1) stop being disappointed and find something else to do. Or (2) learn to like TSW with its imperfections, but only pay what it's worth to us.

I never, ever, buy TSW DLC at less than 70% discount. At these prices I don't resent bugs too much and it makes owning and playing a happier experience.

 

That’s all fine if your platform gets good sales, some of us Xbox players get pretty much no good sales because of Microsoft

 

Finally, someone who doesn't blame DTG for poor sales on Xbox...

 

It's all good and proper saying this, but at the same time it is DTG that build people's hopes up and actually why shouldn't people have an expectation that a game trying to recreate the real world will at least look something like and things sound something like the real world, after all it is that experience which has drawn many people to the game. It is not like it is impossible to make some excellent creations in the game, DTG have proven it with the likes of NTP or ECML and then just look at what JT can do. I see what you mean, but I just don't think settling for and so accepting this reduction in quality is the right thing to do.

 

matt#4801 I agree that it would be nice, even proper, to have an accurate simulator, but since it's obvious that the current quality of TSW is what we're going to get, we need to adjust our expectations. We either learn to love it despite its flaws, or find something else to do with our time and money.

 

But what I am saying is it is not us that should be adjusting, it is DTG who need to get back to the standards which they had 2-3 years ago. The core has got itself in a bad state, their routes are not in a good way at release and the game is heading in a more worrying direction with the removal of genres of content. Yet throughout this my expectations have remained the same as they were when I first played the game and so if my expectations were lived up to 2-3 years ago (and still are met by JT now) why should I adjust these for DTG now, just because they can't maintain the standards they set themselves? No one is asking for perfection, just for DTG to be able to reach the standards they laid down themselves.

Again I completely understand what you are saying, but just don't think DTG should be let off the hook so easily, standards in Dovetail Towers has significantly slipped (barring the likes of Liam &Co, who have done excellently with their personal projects) and letting them continue to slide is a slippery slope stopped by nothing.

 

It's a matter of consistency. While some routes (eg Cardiff) are clearly subpar, DTG also made the Dutch route which by all accounts is very good. The last year or so saw LIRR2, Goblin, Semmeringbahn and Rosenheim, which are all good, and Frankfurt-Fulda which is a near miss (an excellent route let down by the carelessly implemented 114, but which also gave us the wonderful ICE-T). So it's not that DTG can't do good work; they just aren't fussy enough about what they let out the door.

 

I completely agree. So many fantastic routes already exist - from BML to RSN and so on. I'd rather have some of the best older routes updated to TOD 4, timetable upgrade so that it's busy (one of the major drawbacks of older TSW routes, sadly) and finally new loco DLC which will add even more AI traffic, variety and long-term gameplay. So, in my opinion, I'd rather have older, already good and solid route become absolutely amazing instead of a potentially less exciting brand-new route.

 

Sorry to disappoint but that's not strictly true. Quite a while ago I gave voluntary input during post-launch development of a game and every time it got updated with a new build it was placed on sale with a 20% discount. The only difference being that instead of appearing in one of Microsoft's themed sales, it was placed exclusively in the 'sales and specials' section of the store. There are still certain stipulations involved (which, due to a non-expired NDA, I'm not allowed to discuss) when placing an item on sale but I can assure you that none of them include "at Microsoft's discretion".

The game? Horde of Plenty....and anyone with an XBox can read my [updated] store review along with the developer comment to confirm my involvement with post-launch support.

 

And from a console perspective (Gen 9 especially), what could've be an excellent route is still hugely let down by frequent video memory errors, blurry textures and so on which is totally unacceptable.

 

There’s no wining here, I blame DTG and get **** for it and then told by a few of the higher up members it’s Microsoft’s fault, now I’m being told it’s not their fault…. Honestly this **** is confusing as hell….

( don’t know why it put LOVE instead of what I wrote)

either way Xbox players still get screwed compared to literally every other platform for train sim world sales, meaning most of us have to buy routes at full price or wait years for one thing to go on sale

 

The person to blame for all the bad detective broken dlc releases is in my opinion is the person who says you have to release said dlc on this date "READY OR NOT".Then maybe will fix it later if the big AAA developers can get away with it so can we.But here's what this person says if there any pushback about doing this..."Look where the only game in this gerne and players will have to buy dlc or get nothing and as we have seen they will buy are dlc day one ready or not.Plus they may protest are price hikes buy that's clearly not a issue either.


I know there are some here who now are more wise about this situation but not enough to make anyone at dtg care enough to change there way of operating.

If what i read in a other post here is acceptable business practices.Then we all will suffer for along time.

New content makes money.
Fixing content doesn't.

I'm aware dtg does try and fix dlc but while some things get fixed unbroken content get broken at the same time.As always lack of testing lets this happen again.

 

I agree 100%.

I'm in my later years now and I've done a few different things for a living. But I've learned that one of life's most important lessons is never to " settle ", to just take what you're given, whether you're a producer or a consumer.

If there were a viable alternative to TSW, we could just switch. But until that day comes, we should continue to demand that DTG do their very best.

Unfortunately, there seem to be enough players " settling " that DTG can put out sub par products and profit from them, even though we all know that they are, or at least have been, capable of producing very good routes and locos.

 

Respectfully disagree...

Quite honestly there's marketing a product, and then there is over hyping it to people, making out it's something it isn't... And I think thats where people's disappointment comes from, is the hype, only to be left feeling deflated. I remember the hype around WCMLS by DTG when it was initially released, telling us it would be very busy, intense time table... What were we met with? A half baked route with a half baked timetable.

I felt short changed and as if Arthur Daley had sold me something with WCMLS. Lesson of the day, don't hype something up to be something it's definitely not and then be act surprised and take it personally when the customer feels they've been short changed (DTG that is).

 

Some people are very adept at telling you what you want to hear.....and critical threads like this one only exist because a time will arise when telling you what you want to hear loses all sense of meaning.

"Confusing"? If you adopt the policy that release dates & prices are factual, with everything else being open to question then the confusion element of TSW soon goes away

 

A chilling philosophy. If you follow that credo you end up with a catalog full of mediocre products and services.

 

I always find not having any expectations, both high or low, is a winning rule, that way your blood pressure stays at a natural healthy rate.....

 

I’ve been playing since TSW2 and bought a shedload of DLC, but it’s definitely slowing down now. WCL got the gears grinding, MML was another, and since then the only day 1 purchases have been JT’s, both of which I love. There’s been a lot of stuff that I’ve liked the look of, but that once-bitten-twice-shy reflex is too strong now so I just bide my time and pick them up in the sales, if at all. Feels like a shameless cash grab now