PlayStation What If Tsw Disappears?

Oh I yes. The consumer acts, I’ve totally overlooked these laws. I’m no solicitor which means I’ve been reading up on laws or regulations within the games industry only due to my lack of knowledge.
But you ain’t half right. Yet the basic rule of releasing games doesn’t reflect the same legal principles contained within a consumer act.
However, applying one of these laws must mean as consumers we are covered if it’s seen that any sales by DTG have broken any of these laws or regulations.

There is also a mention the law could be changed soon so no games developed can reach market in a very poor state.
I think this is to stop the endless streams of small start ups pushing a poor game out, taking the money and running.
Thus leaving people with a bad product, really poor stuff I mean. So in the UK it must be a serious problem in the wider games industry for the UK government to be concerned enough to draw up new legislation to protect customers from buying broken games or left with one.

I would also add that if any major company like Sony as an example allowed these methods of selling on their services could mean Sony are allowing companies that do break the law a place to do so.
The deeper one goes on this subject means opening a can of worms.

But with all that said, as a UK citizen with laws to cover any purchases is done so within these laws.
And one would assume any UK consumer can exercise their rights if there the need should arise.
Yet there are laws and regulations for the games industry to conform too.
So this is why I very much doubt that DTG are going about business unlawfully.
I think due to a number of different variables it’s a case of poor timing and something was bound to happen sooner than later.
The games industry sets very low standards of what’s defined as working or responsible working order.
Therefore if DTG is making small errors here and there then any batch is a rushed one to meet the basic standard or requirement laid out.
To us it might seem broken, yet how the law is written for games companies allows buggy games to enter the market due to the very nature of programming as long it meets the basic requirements set out within any laws or regulations.

You could say it’s a bit a grey area and why I do feel the UK government is taking an interest in what’s going on in the wider games industry.
With many groups such as STOP KILLlNG GAMES campaign reaching its petition goal to help save the games industry for matters such as what some are possibly facing with any TSW products.

Rushed games, high prices and very poor quality content or products being rushed to markets in any state as long as the customer keeps spending then business is good so why should these big companies change attitudes if it means them losing out on big bonuses each year.
When it’s does then our UK government will step in to protect customer and place more heavier legislation over how games companies target and sell their products.

Are DTG aware of this and why the Birmingham - Crewe has been pushed back to December, it’s got to be 110 percent.
For that DLC to remain on the market all depends if it meets the criteria of reasonable working order but I don’t know exactly what all the basic criteria is or again the law to accurately determine if DTG is playing unfairly.

So in law terms I cannot clearly say what I mean or define what the law clearly states or defines as the correct terminology or definition for it to be used with or by the letter of the law. Therefore to cover myself from any of my comments to be as factually correct are not in the eyes of the law and so I am not in any position to judge or mis represent the law or assume of any companies mentioned above of are working or implying of any wrong doings.

Basically I think you or I must think twice before going down this route to avoid any harm towards DTG directly or to us if speaking out of legal context.
But as a simple community member then I have no rights to advise against seeking proper legal advice or guidance for you are covered by the consumer rights act 2015, this is so you gain the right legal advice so you know what rights are being violated if pointed out by any professional legal advice centre or committee. Hence you will know your rights or legal position going forward.

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Well said.

Consistency is the key word here. And you’re right.
Consistency is like a soft blanket or reassurance to a customer.
They know with a high level of consistent quality a customer has nothing to fear and so will happily spend money because consistency brings trust and loyalty to a brand.
Why society has such reputational companies like Heinz, Apple, BMW you get the idea.
These companies are at the top because they have shown consistent results of good quality products and customer satisfaction that has built a strong reputation or brand customers come back to when looking for a new purchase.

So yes you’re right.
I’ve said this yesterday that if a company looks after its customers the customer will look after the brand.

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I see this getting thrown around more & more but I have to ask if you really understand what you’re saying?

DTG can’t use an out of the box UE engine because of the nature of TSW, something they’ve said repeatedly despite defending the UE4 choice when it was challenged back in the GWE days. Just moving to UE5 because you assume UE4 is an issue is bizarre & DTG would only turn it into another half breed engine anyway.

UE5 is much more demanding & requires much more optimisation focus, something DTG just don’t do because they are yet to find a way to make money from it.

Any initial performance increases & better stability a UE5 version could offer would likely diminish over time, as each DLC sits in its own ecosystem inside of a very loose core framework. The tech debt would just once again pile up until it cracks the framework.

TSWs issue is that it just isn’t taken care of properly, isn’t built in a suitable manner for the hardware it’s produced on, has very little time & monetary budget for bug fixing & is full of decaying features & assets that rather than updating, are just layered over by different versions.

DTG/Matt P made a specific statement back when TSW was in its infancy about not repeating the same mistakes that TSC endured when it came to having so many layers of coding that it wasn’t fixable, but here we are.

Moving to another engine, which DTG would need to significantly modify to make work for a train simulator, one which is even more demanding than the current version, would at best lead us to the same place we’re at now. The hardware & base engine isn’t the real issue, it’s DTGs production philosophy.

Even if there were solid indicators that another engine & clean slate could fix things, why should DTG be trusted to try it again? I’m certainly not going to bankroll yet another attempt from them to make a train simulator. Even in TSWs life cycle they’ve abandoned several titles, some of which didn’t even make to a year old.

 

This is very interesting indeed.

Why well I never experienced this issue in the whole time of being with TSW 2020.
It first appeared with the new WCML Preston - Carlisle then got worse with the added Class 86 add on loco.
The MK3s are a mess if working in LD and how they seemed to be categorised in formation designer.
It’s all started with that route. I made a few post about the issues on the relevant feedback thread where a weak message from the company responsible said they was looking in the matter. That was about it really.

I still encounter the same issues as you have identified, and there is a quick simple fix.
What I think the issue is that when first loading in the system can’t properly execute or process the data.
Yet on the second try the issue is clear. So if I had the issues you have soon as it loaded in I’d quickly restart and that issue would be gone.

Same in photo mode.
A example of this. Pause the game or leave the camera, get close to the object and try again. It clears up the mess.
Don’t get me wrong tho for I am not saying it’s not a massive deal. It is for I have encountered issues that don’t clear up using the methods above.

Close the game down and turn my PS5 at the wall usually works, but again not all the time.
So yes with the larger routes now the game doesn’t seem to be able to handle all the data to properly run 100 percent each time.
Not with these bigger routes especially.
I don’t fully understand how game are made but it seems there isn’t enough processing power to deal with such complicated programming involved with large scale routes.

Is UE5 the answer to fix the bigger picture.
Reading over all the comments left it would appear so.

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Wow.

Thank you for sharing your experience on the wider subject.
I’ve definitely been learning a lot.

So basically what you are saying is DTG can get things right but it’s simply a case of time and resources spent correctly in the right areas for them to achieve the right level of customer satisfaction.

You’ll have to excuse my ignorance or lack of deeper understanding about what you have raised.
It’s all very interesting to read and I thank you for sharing.

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