I like the idea of the variation of trains. I am not sure whether I would buy it but it might work for other users
I have suggested this one numerous times, and I wish for it since it has so much sentimental to me in real life. This being the Amtrak Capitol Corridor: San Jose-Sacramento Amtrak’s Capitol Corridor: From the urban scenery of the San Francisco Bay Area to the sprawling farmlands of the Central Valley and the foot of the Sierra’s, Amtrak’s Capitol Corridor has numerous opportunities for regional and long-distance passenger trains including Capitol Corridor and San Joaquin services as well as the Coast Starlight and California Zephyr. The route is also one of the main freight arteries linking Union Pacific’s ex-SP Roseville Yard to the San Francisco Bay Area, and hosts numerous types of traffic from intermodal, to manifest, and bulk commodities such as coal and oil for export. BNSF also operates the former ATSF mainline from Richmond, CA to Stockton by way of Pinole and Martinez through the scenic Franklin Canyon. Western Pacific also had a presence in Oakland, operating compass south to Fremont where the line ran through the scenic Niles Canyon to Pleasanton and on through Altamont Pass. This scenic stretch of line is operated by UP and ACE commuter trains today with the former SP line through Niles Canyon hosting the Niles Canyon Railway. The route for Train Simulator Classic/TSW would be set in a mixed era with infrastructure both past and present modeled, to be able to represent present day UP/BNSF/Amtrak operations as well as SP, WP, and ATSF equipment as well. The stock route would include the main Capitol Corridor line via the Coast Subdivisions and “Cal-P” lines from San Jose’s Diridon/Cahill station to Sacramento via such locations as Niles Junction, Oakland Jack London Square, Emeryville, Martinez, and Davis. Along with the numerous yards and industrial trackage between Oakland, San Jose, and Sacramento, the Capitol Corridor route will also feature the expansive ports of Oakland and Richmond as well as BNSF’s ex-Santa Fe terminal at Richmond and the mainline as far east as Martinez through Franklin Canyon. The route will also include the ex-WP mainline from Oakland to Pleasanton via Niles Canyon as well as the Niles Canyon Railway. Equipment for the stock route will include Amtrak California Bi-Level equipment along with Superliner and Viewliner baggage equipment for long distance services. Amtrak motive power will include the EMD F59PHi, Siemens SC-44 Charger, and GE P32-8BWH, and P42DC. For freight, the route will include a wide selection of BNSF and UP motive power ideally including the GE ES44AC, EMD SD70ACe, GP40-2, and an ex-SP and Santa Fe GP60, plus a selection of intermodal and manifest freight stock including well, TOFC, spine, boxcar, refrigerator, tankcar, centerbeam, bulkhead, cement and grain covered hoppers, autoracks, gondolas, steel coils, and ex-SP and Santa Fe cabooses. There will also be retro packs released as DLC modeling the SP, Santa Fe, and WP of the 1960’s and 50’s with appropriate freight and passenger equipment for the time periods. The Northwester
YES I have been begging for this route for AGES specifically the section from oakland to roseville. It's the perfect US passenger route for the game. Its got Amtrak commuter, TWO long distances Amtrak services that operate at different times of day, UP mainline freight at the start of the overland route, the route is pretty, busy and a unique experience to what wwe already hav ein TSW. I would LOVE LOVE LOVE this route in game and would pay full price! My suggestion: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/repost-up-martinez-subdivision.79178/#post-802218
UK: South Devon Mainline - Brilliant route irl, very scenic with the sea wall, and plenty of variety German: Bahnstreke Frankfurt - Koblenz - Half of the route is already in game, but seeing how it is in the modern period would be interesting, also having the underground tunnels and the flirt 3 is a good mix US: Soldier Summit - mainly picking this one because it was such a popular route in TSC, and I definitely wouldn’t mind seeing it in TSW
South London network from TSC to TSW it's a lot to ask or the whole of the wcml that'd be super fun to play!!!
One of the problems is the licenses in creating Routes because you are not going to create a Route without the specific Trains of the Route, that's why I stopped talking about my Favorite Route Metra Chicago to Aurora At least I left it published like others who want to see that Route and about that Amtrak Route I would like to see it too
I get that however I belive the route is different. DTG already has a UP license they can use for the route and then they have an Amtrak license as well. However I'm not sure if DTG need a sperate license to use Amtrak California trains on the route or if it's the same license.
Per Amtrak's site, its covered by all. Note that Amtrak California and other state supported trains are listed with Amtrak's named trains.
So, for me there are a few dream scenarios, and there's several ones I'd be greatly interested in and all of them would require a new country entry (though we're already getting the Netherlands and Japan soon). I'm going to categorize them per country, order by how strongly I want them. 1. Netherlands -Utrecht - Rotterdam/Den Haag -Amsterdam - Rotterdam Obviously I'm going for my own two route suggestions here, or else I wouldn't have put them on the forum. For more information on either route, there's links at the bottom in my signature. 2. Japan -Tokyo - Hakone This would be a remake, either modern or set in the original time, of the old Microsoft Train Simulator Tokyo - Hakone route. Back in the days after school, I would play that game, and specifically that route, so often. It was my favorite. -Nagasaki - Sasebo Beautiful scenic railway alongside Omura Bay. It has some inner city parts and some captivating landscapes too. I remember this one from a scenic train show that's sometimes aired here: For Japan though, while I'm ecstatic for Tadami, and will pre-order, my favorite route from Union Workshop that I'd hoped to see them start with for TSW is probably their first, Wakayama & Sakurai lines. Their newest one, Keihin - Tohoku & Utsunomiya lines is also great, but probably extremely risky and CPU intensive, especially for as long as they're not yet fully settled with TSW yet. Regarding any Shinkansen route, let's be honest. While I'd absolutely love to drive the Shinkansen, the fact that it drives on an almost entirely dedicated line, it would probably suffer from the same problem LGV Méditerranèe does of it being a one-trick-pony. It would rely on the inclusion of the regular commuters servicing the same two stations for the route to keep being interesting, and I just don't see that happening as it'd be far too much work. 3. Norway -Bergen - Vossevangen Obviously the entire route of Oslo - Bergen would be absolutely bonkers insane as it's far too long, but any part of this, especially as you get closer to Bergen, is honestly the most beautiful train ride I've ever been on in my life, with Vossevangen probably being the most logical endpoint without the route becoming too long. Though if it continuous to Myrdal, it could also include the famous and short Flåmsbana, though that would probably be stretching the route length beyond the reasonable limit even though it'd get the absolute best views in. (Ironically enough, the views from the video below are mostly inbetween Vossevangen and Myrdal, but it still give you an idea of the overal idea of the feeling that route would have) Also, with the NSB El 18 locomotive, assuming the Norwegian carriers aren't just as problematic as the SBB, could be a way to still get that Re 460 in the game, despite DTG no longer working with the SBB due to licensing issues, as to my understanding, the El 18 is basically the exact same locomotive, built for the NSB.
Dream route you ask? For me, I have this weird thing where I'd love to see more lines that no longer exist. We have Peak Forest Railway, which is great to me because the only way to experience a small fraction of what the line was like is in a simulator, as the line no longer exists (at least not all of it). For that reason, most of my 'dream routes' are lines that don't exist anymore. Examples include: Great Central Main Line Nottingham Victoria to Sheffield Victoria, or even longer from Loughborough Central or Leicester Central. This route would be great for steam hauled freight (with the BR 9F) and express services over a proper section of main line running through some of the most atmospheric lost stations in the UK. The old GWR line from Birmingham Snow Hill to Wolverhampton Low Level and on to Chester General and Birkenhead Woodside, or south from Birmingham to Banbury. A section of line that I love because of the classic stations and also because of some family connections to the area. I know that most of this line still exists today, but it really isn't what it used to be Carlisle to Edinburgh via the Waverley Route A scenic route with impressive infrastructure, unfortunately closed in the 1960s and still mostly closed today. I'd love to see the route (or a section thereof) in the game as that is the closest we'll probably ever get to an operating Waverley Route in the modern day... Woodhead Line A classic, probably suggested countless times. But what's not to love about UK DC electric trains on an isolated line? It'll have to be set before 1970 though, so that it won't be just a freight line but also includes passenger services. The Midland & Great Northern Joint Railway, primarily the sections between Yarmouth Beach, Cromer and Melton Constable. A bit of a network style route in the East of England, with cozy stations and decent enough scenery. Also to me the perfect candidate for a pre-war route, with both MR and GNR style rolling stock providing a good variety. Something non-British I'd like to see is a backdated Rotterdam-Breda railway in the Netherlands, before 1993 when it still ran on the elevated section ('Luchtspoor' in Dutch) through the city of Rotterdam. It's something I've only ever seen in pictures, and I'd love to experience it again in the game! That's my rambling for totally unrealistic routes done, but it was about dreams was it not?
Having taken a run along there on TSC the other night, would probably elevate the West Highland Mallaig Extension into my top list. The TSC version is good but the hills suffer from the terrible terrain painting limitations of TSC and that distant mountains appear as a flat texture. With LiDAR data, TSW could do it much better justice, the downside from the LAMPOIL point of view, regardless of era (and naturally loco hauled preferred), the timetable is pretty sparse.
The Medway Valley Line. Some interesting scenery and plenty of stations between Paddock Wood and Strood. A 90's version of the route would be great with the manual level crossing gates and semaphore signals on some sections.
Given the recent release announcements; I'm going to petulantly say "Anything in East Anglia including C2C". What feels like a near constant focus on the London Midland region is putting us in a bit of a downward spiral when it comes to our chances of an Anglian DLC. So here's a summary of what's feasible and what units have operated there. West Anglia Main Line - Liverpool Street to Cambridge including Stansted; Late 1980s - Classes 305,315,310,321 1990s - Classes 315 and 317 (both types), 321 (if set before 1992) 2010s - Classes 315, 317, 379 2020s (Yes I know, licensing issues etc) 720,745 Great Eastern Main Line - Liverpool Street to Ipswich (hopefully including a better branch line than Braintree a la the TSC version; Late 1980s Classes 302,307,308,309,312,321, Class 86 Mk2D stock 1990s - Class 309,312,315,321, Class 86 again 2000s - Classes 312,321,360 Class 90 Mk3s and DVT Modern - Classes 345,720,745 Southend Victoria Line 1980s - Classes 307, 308, 315 1990s to 2020 - Classes 315 and 321 And of course the LTS 1980s - 302, 308 1990s - 302, 310, 312, 317 (early bodied version 2000s - 357, maybe a 387 Modern - 357 and 720 If you've not spotted the issue already then I'll explain. None of the above routes or traction are in TSW apart from the 387, none are being made and so we have a sort of chicken and egg situation. We can't have an electric Anglia route because only one of the above types of traction are in the game. We can't have any of the traction mentioned above because we don't have a suitable route to run them on. And I'm totally aware that GA haven't granted a licence, but railways in East Anglia existed before 2012 too. I don't think it's unreasonable to have built a full UK collection and to be concerned and disappointed that certain areas of Britain's rail network will be totally ignored. I've made it up to TSW5 and, yes, I've enjoyed some of the routes that aren't of massive interest to me, but you reach a point where you start to wonder why you're investing in a collection that's only focusing on certain areas. It's really frustrating and reaches the point where you wonder if it's worth continuing to build a collection that's not really doing it for me.
For me it will always be my local route, the scenic Black Forest Murgtalbahn. For this film, they visited my workplace on my shift. https://www.swrfernsehen.de/eisenba...rz-und-heisser-dampf-die-murgtalbahn-100.html
I want the whole London, Tilbury & Southend railway (aka c2c) in the modern era, so that the Suffragette line layers on to it. Complete weekday timetable, plus a separate weekend timetable for the Liverpool Street services (to come later, see below). I want S7 Stock on the parallel tracks between Upminster and Bromley-by-Bow, so we'd better have one of the Tube lines with that stock as DLC as well (let's say the Metropolitan line with S8 Stock which can be adapted). I want DLR trains on the parallel tracks from Lighthouse to Tower Gateway, so let's have the whole Docklands Light Railway as a Guard Mode-only DLC too. Realistically the branch to Liverpool Street would only happen once, say, the Great Eastern Main Line us created. Oh, and let's have a separate loco DLC of the 312 and other earlier EMUs, maybe call it 'Legends of the LTS' if feeling nostalgic, or 'Misery Line' if not. Basically, I want the entire LTS experience. And the moon on a stick.
A few more ideas: -SP Peninsula Corridor: SF-Gilroy; 1960s-70s with SP FM H-24-66 Trainmaster, Alco RS-32, Alco S4, and GP9; classic diesels (FMs, Alcos, and EMDs) -Santa Fe Raton Pass; 1990s with Dash 8s (both 4 and 6-axle versions), Dash 9s, SD75Ms, GP60s/Ms/Bs, and Amtrak "Pepsi Can" Dash 8s on the SW Chief -CSX Harper's Ferry Route; Modern with ES44AH (including 1st Responders, Military, and Heritage Units), ET44AH, SD40-3, GP40-3, GP38-3, Genset Switcher, SD70AC, CW60AC, ST70AH, SD80MAC, etc. -CPKC Kicking Horse Pass: Revelstoke-Lake Louise with AC4400CWM, ES44AC (including CPKC new livery), SD30C-ECO, GP20C-ECO, SD40-2, GP38-2 and/or SD70ACU (including Heritage and Military units) -VIA Rail Quebec City-Windsor Corridor Route with VIA SCV-42 Siemens Chargers and P42DCs, and CN ET44AC (including Heritage units), SD70M-2 (including GTW Heritage Unit), SD40-2(W), GP40-2(W), GP38-2(W), ES44AC, C44-9W, AC44C6M, and/or SD75I/IACC
Actually I kinda like the idea of Harper's Ferry. I remember seeing the place in a Hotell Hell episode of Gordon Ramsey and loving the look of the area. While I'm not really a fan of American railroading, I've long wished for an American route that has passenger services, but also that rugged feel where the passenger stations are basically just a makeshift waiting area with something that barely even counts as a platform, before the train leaves back into the wilderniss again. Trailing this route on google maps, this route could kind of fulfill that idea a bit. I'm usually not really a fan of American railroading, with a few minor exceptions, and I feel like a lot of American scenery that isn't nature itself is often too much parking lot. But this one I feel would definitely have potential.
If made remember the dm30 always stays on electric mode until the last electric station in the case of Oyster Bay branch East Williston. That's how they minimize the use of diesel fuel same is also said for the Montauk Point service electric power Penn Station to Bethpage Diesel power Bethpage to Montauk Point. Unless they end up electrifying the central branch which is still being proposed as of right now
Would love to see the Riviera line. Would look stunning if it was done correctly or even the full Exmouth to Paignton..
I suspect it’s only the GWR licensing which stands in the way of this being made, such an obvious choice. That said, there is enough rolling stock assets to just about do a BR Classic version, just need a Class 118 DMU, maybe a Class 50 and some blue/grey Mark Ones to make it work.
This is personally my favourite recommendation that I have seen in a long time. I would love to have at least 1 more Underground route in the near future and the C2C would be a route with a lot of potential. Central line is my favourite line but given that there are trains that need to be layered on at Barking, C2C, District and/or Hammersmith would be amazing in my opinion
Really nice insight. This looks like a great idea for a base route in the upcoming franchise releases or even a possible DLC
London Liverpool Street to Ipswich would be the best or the LTS of the routes mentioned. I wonder whether DTG are going to wait for the expiration of the GEML contract for it to then be taken over by the Government. I wonder whether this will make route production simpler or more difficult
My dream route is Belfast Grand Central to Lisburn and Portadown since I'm local to it. My trains are the Class 22000, Class 200 IE, 9000 IE, Class 4000 and Class 3000 DMU
I still think having an NSE-era route with mixture of slam-doors and Mk3 derived EMUs would be a must for the game. Neither are represented in TSW so it would have something for those who like old and newer traction. LTS/GEML/WAML/SWML or even a backdated WCML with 310s/313s/317s and 87s. Oh and silver TS72 Mk2s with red doors. Would be an interesting use of the route, even if it is based in the wrong era, apart from branding and Wembley Stadium are there many differences between the mid 80s and now? If DTG could improve the way humans interact with the slamdoors and have passengers occasionally leaving a door on the catch, meaning the poor guard has to leave the guard's compartment and walk down the train to properly shut a door. Would bring a whole new dimension to Guard mode and would be an active part of trying to keep to time. More generally DTG should also remove the ability for the driver to "release" the doors, this should really be done with all passenger trains that didn't have the ability to release the doors from the cab.
My dream TSW route is the Sound Transit S-line between Seattle and Lakewood Set in Modern day 2024. Also with a very unlikely extension to Eugene, Oregon and Vancouver, BC for the Amtrak Cascades route. That would be a fun route as you could drive the amtrak cascades, switch boeing planes around at boeing field, and run sounder commuter trains plus other BNSF and UP trains. I am Aware this would be very unlikely to be a full route but it would be cool. The rolling stock: (Also very unlikely) Amtrak: P42/ALC-42 locomotives and superliner coaches to run the coast starlight. SC-44 charger to run Amtrak Cascades trains and the P42 could substitute for it. Talgo series 8 sets. The F40PH NPCU and horizon coaches. Sound Transit: F59PHI and MP40PH with both bi-level cab cars and bi-level coaches. BNSF: DASH 9-44CW and ES44C4 for mainline freight and the GP38-2 for swithcing.
I would probably commit various criminal and/or immoral acts for a TSW remake of the TSC Sacremento Northern DLC. If for no other reason than just being able to run in timetable mode instead of just scenarios.
That would enhance realism in the game. Matt was talking about it on the original WCML stream. GEML and SWML would be great addition to the game. It would be nice in the modern era in my opinion
I think my fear with the GEML is length. London to Ipswich would be the best segment but is that too long? Does it need too many different types of new traction to be a realistic route? Which era would be possible due to licensing? Which era would be commercially feasible? London to Colchester would be more equivalent to the WCML south route but without branch lines would be quite dull and few trains actually terminate through the daytime. Ipswich to Norwich isn't a particularly interesting drive. This is why I've advocated so hard for the LTS (c2c). It's self-contained, it's a network too, it would need only 357s (with 387s and AI 710s), maybe a 720 if modern day. It makes more sense even if it's not my favourite option. 100mph running on the GEML populated with sufficient variation in traction is the holy grail for me.
Go for it. We're essentially lobbying for our favourite ideas here, everyone welcome. Unless it's a driverless metro system......
I would love to see my local Line in TSW in the future, which is Preston - Colne, Lancashire, also knows as the east Lancashire Line! Main Operator: Northern Rail Distance: Around 31 Miles Rolling Stock: Class 156, Class 142, Class 150/1, Class 150/2 (158’s do run on this line but I am uncertain if they run to Colne and turn back!) Class 66’s, 70’s & 56 as freight, arrive from both hellifield and Preston sides Era: 2021 or later Route features/type: A very Nice run through the countryside and hills of Lancashire, something different from a Straight run, a peaceful, twisty route with some very nice scenery, Darwen Tower can also be seen on this route ) - Route hopping at Preston for BLACKPOOL BRANCHES AND WCML NORTH - 18 Stations as of now (map below is outdated but still very accurate in terms of the structure of the route!) - Blackburn King street Depot, Built in 2017 to house trains whilst the WCML electrification took place. Small Depot with 6 tracks but can store up to 30 trains I believe. Trains are washed, cleaned, and stored here (as I will be working here soon hopefully ) - Players Can drive under the Wainwright bridge, just upon arrival into Blackburn Station, painted in its new Blue and White look to represent Blackburn rovers, the Town that won the Premier league in 1995! Players will also see themselves Driving along side the M65 motorway which connects Preston to Burnley, just past Blackburn towards Rose Grove Future Route expansion opportunities: From Blackburn Station, you can also head North East towards Clitheroe. From Blackburn, you can also head east towards Burnley before branching off towards Tomorden and Eventually, Manchester Victoria! Not a popular/famous route like those seen in TSW but is a route I’d like to see personally, as well as some other individuals I have seen on the forums as well as YouTube, comment about this Route! ( PS: I don’t want to see this Route in BR Blue as someone asked a while ago, it’s not how I’ve grown up seeing it . Would also help use of the Northern license and Layers opportunity’s! )
That to me makes sense, as a route it's fairly self contained, the branches would be possible as well and only having the 357 which externally is similar to the 170 is a good idea.
The 357 is actually closer to the 375/377 fleet than the 170s despite initial impressions. The latter had longer carriages so it would need to be a completely new build with scripting etc. The 357s are AC only Electrostars without the end-gangway and different light clusters.
I really appreciate your response and like your ideas. To be honest, I can't see it happening but neither can I see my London Underground dream coming to the game. I am with you pal and hope that one day it works for you
I would love the GEML. I would take another of its routes as long as they include London Liverpool Street as the terminus
The 720 trains are so cool and I would hope that C2C features shortly in TSW. They must have the licensing considering that it appears on the platforms at Barking on the suffragette line
No, there is no c2c licensing on Barking's platforms. The pink square on the station signs is as unbranded in-game as it is IRL.
