The Class 70 is a beast too, I'd say almost even with the 68 in terms of thrash/clag! I personally quite like the 67s but that's most likely my little TfW bias (from seeing them on the WAG set) coming out... But as I said before they wouldn't really have much use in TSW unless they were to make some fake freight runs for it...
Yes, the 70s are actually fairly decent from what I remember. I only know the 67s as 'thunderbirds' and never particularly liked them when they were used. Strange considering I tend to lean towards locos rather than units!
Yeah, I've seen some Class 70s and they're very thrashy and claggy! Definitely a capable and awesome loco! 67s are great locos but I do see what you mean by seeing them as a Thunderbird loco, I see them as more of a passenger train rather than a loco.. I definitely do not see it as a freight loco, that's for sure! (Not my images)
Think the 67s used to be used as rescue trains on the East Coast Mainline. They call them Thunderbirds because they come to the rescue.
Hey, no one mentioned the Deltic! in my opinion they could introduce the Class 55 (BR green and BR blue) for railtours on the ECML. I think Class 70, 68, 91 (maybe 90?), 60 and maybe 92 are the most plausible.
You always have to spoil things by going over the top with your unreasonable demands Next you'll be telling us that you want the full route too !!!
I have always been told I were too demanding, though I thought this were more than reasonable! After all you were the one who mentioned including the route, even if I did think about it!
Yeah I know what a thunderbird loco is, I didn't know they went on rescue runs on the ECML.. I've never seen a video of that, I'll have to have a look now! I guess it'd be cool to have some rescue runs in the game but you can't really add all them as an everyday schedule sort of thing - wouldn't complain if it happened though!
I wonder if perhaps they could add them as a scenario? Or I guess they could do it as part of the timetable. I guess HST moves aren't regularly that common on Birmingham Cross City, yet they have a few put in the TSW timetable. That said, while good as a layer, I'm not sure the 67 would be a good DLC as there aren't routes we currently have on TSW where it'd see any real use (no welsh lines AFAIK).
Unfortunately Rog decided to take it back quickly after repainting. The Crewe Heritage Center got a cl.90 by now. Very impressive job with the 91 intercity, took about 6 months.
Wait so ROG have that 91 again now..? That's a shame, it looked really good in the InterCity livery - hopefully ROG don't paint it for a while. Are they keeping it at the CHC or have they moved it to one of their own places? Yeah I remember hearing about that Class 90.. definitely some TLC needed, but I know CHC will get it looking good as new soon enough!
Yeah, that would be a pretty cool idea for a scenario! And you've got a good point with the HST on BCC, I still feel as though they wouldn't make an add-on for the 67, not yet. If a Welsh route came out then I feel like they probably would then, but for now I doubt it would happen...
However, I believe the Class 68 will be the next UK locomotive. Given the recent DRS license obtained. I don't know which year the Route Fife Circle is set; if it was before 2020 They could introduce both the 68 DRS and the 68 ScotRail (with the Mk3s).
Yeah, I think as much as I'd love to have a Class 70, I feel like the 68 is definitely the more probable option... Who knows, could be something else, I mean it might end up being a Desiro like everyone initially thought!
Another plausible option is that they are creating something for the ECML. Definitely something electric in this case. Maybe we could receive the usual pack for railtours, like the Class 55 Deltic... Unfortunately, the arrival of the Class 70 on TSW is limited by licensing. Only Colas Rail and Freightliner have them. Freightliner has already denied the license, so...
To be fair I'd love a railtour pack with some of the more modern MK2s and the generator coach or whatever it's actually called and maybe an old loco (as you said, a 55) or even a 67, and additionally some more railtours with 66s with the newer coaches mentioned! Railtours are some of the best workings to see and I really wish more routes in TSW would have them... For the ECML the only thing I personally can think of is the 91 and DVT, which is definitely a highly requested thing but based on what Alex said in that QnA I feel like a freight loco is more than likely... This kind of a thing would be pretty cool to have in the game though...
Maybe DTG should go back to the beginning with the Class 01. Who knows, if we cross our fingers, we might even get the Wickham trolley and the full Holyhead Breakwater line too
As I already wrote in a previous post, I think Class 70, 68, 91 (maybe 90?), 60 and maybe 92 are the most plausible for this DLC. I must admit that your choices are unique and unconventional. However Class 01 should be introduced as additional DLC on a 50's/60's route.
I have a feeling that this forthcoming loco DLC will be the class 91 but that we will also see the class 68 featuring in the near future. The 68 has scope across multiple routes and operations due to being used for containers, nuclear flasks, RHTT as well as passenger trains. The likes of the class 67 are rarely used for freight and are not commonly seen on main line duty.
This is like trying to unpick the clues on the gameshow 3-2-1. Desirable - Could mean a Desiro. Highly - no other Desiro goes higher-up the UK rail map than the 380. I'm calling a 380 for Cathcart, Scottish Express and as AI on the Fife Circle. Or, literally highly desirable. No more beautiful a loco than the Deltic. A very "high" driving position too. Or. "Can Say" which could mean "CAN" as an abbreviation of Canada and "say" or in Canadian French "C'est" meaning "It is". That's right, it's a holiday in Montreal. Did I win?
I've not heard anything about next month's roadmap - there will be one of course but I've not heard of a date yet.. hopefully it will be Tuesday so we can get as much info as possible as soon as possible too!
I think you're closer to winning the bin I'm afraid. Let me have a go. "Desirable" - (from the latin 'desire a bull') almost certainly means "Want's a male cow". Male cows have big horns as do all locomotives. (So we can definitely glean from this there is a loco involved rather than just a piece of rolling stock). But what has the biggest horns? Well that could be Highland cattle which also ties nicely into the use of the word "highly". Cattle like to shelter form the high winds and what is the sheltered side of a mountain called? "The Lee side". So it is definitely a locomotive that is linked to routes that, like Highland Cattle, climb up the sheltered side of a mountain. (High Lee, Desire a Bull). Matt also said the phrase "for sure" but that probably was a disguise for 'foreshore' which could be a reference to the shoreline around a lake, possibly a lake at the bottom of a mountain? Llanberis Lake perhaps? Whilst the word "can" could represent the shape of some new rolling stock. (Far more likely than Canada). On the basis that DTG have said that there is no development of steam going on at the moment then the new loco must be diesel or electric. (And any item of new rolling stock must look a bit like a tin can). If the loco is UK based (and this is a big "if") then the most likely candidate that fits all the clues is one of the diesels from the Snowdon Mountain Railway. So the new loco/train can only be something like this. Now that's how you win at 3-2-1
Yes you won the confusing a bunch of people who are already confused award. It’s a brass model of a Class 00 loco on a plinth.
spikeyorks I would certainly like some of what ever you have been taking before making your predictions! Though your last couple make the 139s seem highly likely!
Personally I've always considered the 67 as the "faster sister" of the 66, even if it doesn't share much else with it. I think the 67 is still too "young" for railtours. Would be appropriate to introduce it on a dedicated route, at the head of a passenger train in Wales (with Mk4s)?
I'm truly humbled by your superior talent at this. I'm one of those contestants who's giving their partner the frustrated "it was obvious when you think about it" look.
Yeah, you've got a very similar view on the 67s as I do! I personally think any train can do a railtour, whether it's really old or really new.. and I have to admit I actually prefer seeing tours with more modern trains like 67s, it makes a nice change from the usual oldies! Obviously I would never turn down a tour with an older loco though! Yeah, hopefully a Welsh route will come out soon, would love one up Holyhead way as it would be very local to me, my local station is Llandudno Junction so it would be a dream come true to have my local in TSW!
Right I’m all for a 91 and that but let’s think outside the box imagine something like an MPV or a tamper coming to the game! Something we could use on all modern British routes now that would be cool
Honestly I would absolutely LOVE that! That would be such an interesting thing to drive and would make for some really really cool scenarios, going to the actual sight of the engineering work and it could allow for some reasons to go on the incorrect lines etc, it'd be awesome! I really hope that happens sometime soon! It would definitely add some new and interesting gameplay; that's for sure!
Re 67’s, well in all honesty we want something other than a GM for a new freight loco. Due to the high speed gearing they are also quite limited in terms of haulage capacity, in fact if memory serves me correctly they allowed less trailing tonnage up the Lickey Incline than a Class 47 or 57. Something like 250 tonnes which is really not that much.
A Tamper with an engineering works pack that had scenarios on each of the modern UK routes would be amazing.
After scrolling through the suggestions there is only 2 Frequently requested locos 1 being the infamous 225 (Class 91) And the other being the Class 60 Heavy freight Loco I mean I think we need BOTH UK freight is really boring with just the 66 now I won’t even touch the cargo packs until I have a loco worthy of pulling heavy tankers. Also Hi Matt Miss the days you were playing TS Classic on YouTube you were my go to to figure out wether I was going to buy an add on or not.
Since the release of the roadmap in February, I said to myself: If something British comes out as a locomotive, it will definitely be something for the ECML. It's the only map released with this TSW that's still very empty today. Find what runs on the ECML and you'll know the content of the new DLC!
It's gotta be the Class 91. Why? For starters, it was highly requested since the ECML came. Also, its use is strictly for ECML services. No other route in TSW, or even real life, uses them. Chances are another section of the ECML will not come, which means not including it will be a missed opportunity. The Class 60 is also highly requested, but I don't think this is the new loco. Why? Because, unlike the Class 91, the Class 60 has been used on multiple routes (TVL is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that is in TSW, and I believe MML also fits; there may be others). Therefore, there is less of a missed opportunity by not including it.
You've got a lot of good points there but at the same time I feel like a freight loco (Class 60 primarily) fits the "highly desirable" part more - a new freight loco has been requested a LOT more than a 91 has, considering it's been requested before TSW4 came out whereas I only mainly heard of the 91 being requested since the ECML came out (I know it will have been requested before obviously, but I personally feel like a freight loco still will have been requested more) Even if the 60s might not go on SEHS in real life, TSW could ignore that; I know EWS definitely don't do all the workings they do in game taking into account the time the route is set... Anyway, if they added an EWS 60 then that could fill-in for the 66s, so you could use the 60 on all the 66s services (excluding RHTT) which then means the 60 could be used a lot more than a 91 could.. although it wouldn't be new services but neither would the 91 really, you'd still be driving it on the same stretch of line doing seemingly the same thing an 801 would, just the end destinations may be different, which wouldn't change much for the bit of line we do hsve. Whereas they could add new services for the 60, with the upcoming Cargo Line pack coming they could get the 60 to work on that and also make a few exclusive workings that only the 60 could do.. I'm sure TSW could think of something, some more light loco moves or diverted freight services or something? (Please tell me if I've got anything wrong here - mainly with the ECML part, I don't know much about that route - but also If I got anything else wrong) (Please don't somehow get mad at me for saying all that - I only say this because I've seen similar things happen on a lot of other threads)
You did you said they’re was no chance, which does suggest either there’s a reason you say that based on fact or it’s a statement with no evidence to it. it’s probably quite high, Matt has spoken about the other sections and their in high demand.
