Which British Routes And Trains Do You Next Want To See Developed?

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  1. Challenger3985

    Challenger3985 Well-Known Member

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    While this might be a losing battle for me on what I do want to see for UK routes, but I'm still gonna list them anyways.

    Settle-Carlisle (either LMS or early/mid BR era)
    Locos: 3F 'Jinty', 4F, 5XP 'Jubilee', 7P 'Britannia', 8F, 9F, Class 08, Class 25, Class 28, Class 40

    Riviera Line: Exeter - Paignton (GWR era)
    Locos: Class 14xx, Class 4073 "Castle", Class 49xx "Hall", Class 5101, Class 57xx, Class 68xx "Grange"
     
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  2. gogglesguy

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    I generally like driving them, but having a different type of train that doesn't have the keyhole / slit / portrait front view would be nice.
     
  3. seagull81006

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    Id like to see Birmingham New Street-Cheltenham Spa (2022) with the Class 170,221 and 323 as well as GWE HST
     
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    I would Also like to see some of the WCML.
    As has been said, great amount of scope for variety of stock etc.
    Growing up around the midland main line, Class 45`s and DMU`s were the order of the day before the HST came along.
    I look back fondly on my trips to Crewe. As a youngster, it was like a different world. :)
     
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  5. OldVern

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    I have been running the 87 on Preston - Carlisle - Glasgow the last couple of evenings and it is superb. Managing the tap changer is totally different to combined power handles on modern stock. Approaching neutral sections you have to plan the run down in advance as putting the power handle straight to off is not recommended. Just got the WCML merge North, Shap and Edinburgh which I need to set up a couple of scenarios so I can run through from Preston to Glasgow. Great stuff and better than any of our TSW routes in scope and length.
     
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  6. paulc

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    If we get another 3rd rail EMU I might just have to rage quit & dramatically announce my departure from these forums & DTG games while everyone tells me not to forget to close the door behind me :D

    Jokes aside there are some big holes in the UK that it would be great to fill! We have no UK electric locos what so ever, not even a 73 for all those 3rd rail routes! One of these at least would be great! It would be amazing to get a UK route with OHLE to run an 86, 87, 90 91 or even an 88! Yes we have the 66 for relatively modern diesel traction but I would love to see a 60 make it into the SIM & also a 68 would be a nice addition! If we got some modern WCML we could run all these amazing locos over it :cool:
     
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  7. byeo

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    A section of the Midland Main Line would be my preference. Sheffield - East Midlands Parkway via Derby, including the short Nottingham branch would be prefect. Just Trains.. I'm looking at you.

    I'd also love to see York to Newcastle on the East Coast Main Line.
     
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  8. londonmidland

    londonmidland Well-Known Member

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    East Midlands Parkway is a very random station to start and terminate trains. Plus, not everything stops there. Leicester to Sheffield via Derby would make a lot more sense.

    I too would like to see JT make this route for TSW, with extension DLCs as per TS1.
     
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    I was just thinking length, you know what DTG are like. But if JT do it then Leicester would be more fitting, I agree.
     
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  10. fakenham

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    Agree re JT doing the MML for TSW2. However, I think Tom and Mark are still completing sections of it for TS2022, so I think it's unlikely we'll get anything from JT for TSW2 - unless there are other members of their team secretely working away?

    Hopefully we'll get some TSW2 content from JT at some point, their attention to detail is excellent (gong by their MML work).
     
  11. PeteW

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    I travelled the West Highland line for the first time a few months back. The scenery is spectacular. It also has request stations which could prove an interesting different feature for the game.
    Also I do like both the approach into Newcastle and also Berwick from the South heading north. Great scenery north of Berwick too. So would like something like York - Edinburgh on the ECML.
     
  12. Ravi

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    Any intercity route with AC traction. I am so over the third rail lines at this point. I mean, come on, UK probably has some decent AC traction routes. Give us that instead of just recycling the electrostars and diesels.
     
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  13. redrev1917

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    If we have to have another 3rd rail route then please let it be MerseyRail or at the very least set in BR days so we can have 4cigs and Cl 73's.
     
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    Class 421 on Brighton-London with decent sound
     
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    I wouldn't expect dtg to make the same route again but in a older time period at all.
     
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    portsmouth direct line with class 450 and class 444 been on this route many times
     
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  17. tallboy7648

    tallboy7648 Well-Known Member

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    That is a good route in ts. I feel like it will come to tsw2 eventually since it was popular in ts with the class 444 and 450
     
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  18. lovetrains 3628

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    anthor one from me west hightland line
     
  19. Kangaroo Conductor

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    Settle to Carlisle, just because it's the route I grew up with on MSTS. It was set in a different time, but especially because of that I'd like to see it in its current state. As if it would have aged with me.

    All the routes from MSTS hold a special place in my heart, they introduced me even deeper into the world of trains, train sim, and even programming, as my first attempts to create content had been for that game.

    All nostalgic reasons, and nothing else, but my wish would still be Settle to Carlisle.
     
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    The timetable would be sparse to say the least and the forums would be filled with complaints about the lack of services
     
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  21. dhekelian

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    If I had my wish I would have Bristol Temple Meads to Paddington or from Cardiff to Paddington. Even Bristol - Didcot but we all know it will never happen. I tried to think on another route but thought do we want yet another barren route? Would it not be desirable to get more Loco DLC's to flush out existing routes.

    Class 117 & the mighty class 121 in BR Blue would be fantastic to have in game on the GWE or any other rote they ran on, they weren't he fastest of trains but a lot of fun to drive.

    Then I thought DTG like their experiments, Diesel Legends etc, what if they done the HS2 route? With whatever train would be imagined or appropriate for the route and have it up North somewhere and on a good run. I don't usually go in for fantasy stuff but I would find this interesting.
     
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    third one from me weymouth to southampton
     
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  23. MayuyuYukirin

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    Southern western railway

    I want to see guildford and university of surrey in game
     
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  24. davidh0501

    davidh0501 Well-Known Member

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    Settle to Carlisle is scenically great, but doesn’t hold much gameplay other than sight seeing.
    What I don’t want is a route by the sea, or next to a large body of water as the current textures are very unconvincing.
     
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    Swansea - Neyland - Milford Haven, 1960's. Class 117's, 119's, 120's and Hymeks.
    Never going to happen, DTG haven't got the vision to do something different.
    Plus at 70 miles they obviously do not have the stamina to go beyond their usual 40 mile limit.
    So it will be more modern rubbish and the least mileage, they think they can get away with.
     
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    Woodhead for me, I thought the TS version caught the atmosphere and the region really well, a TSW2 version would look fantastic and, as I understand it, it's high on DTG boss man's wish list!
     
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  27. PeteW

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    That is certainly true and a downside to the West Highland line as a route. But could a rabbit be pulled out of the hat and combine the diesel units along with a Steam locos on it? That would be cool over the the Glenfinnan viaduct.
     
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    For me it would be a sin to release West Highland with out the steam hauled services, but even adding these it would only add 4 services a day and for immersion we'd have to have rail fans covering the hillside above the viaduct for the steam trains.
     
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  29. OldVern

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    Sorry to double post with another thread, but this is the service pattern between 0630 and 1900 running the SIAM 1984 traffic simulation. There may be others outside that period. Obviously south of Crianlarich busier with Oban line trains.

    1S07 0630 Craigendoran Jn
    7D10 0630 Approaching Tulloch.
    7B02 0649 Craigendoran Jn.
    1T16 0800 Taynuilt
    1T24 0843 Spean Bridge
    1B08 0900 Craigendoran Jn
    1B10 1030 Craigendoran Jn
    1T32 1300 Taynuilt
    1B11 1300 Craigendoran Jn
    7D12 1301 Spean Bridge
    7B13 1350 Craigendoran Jn
    1T45 1418 Spean Bridge
    7D09 1417 Taynuilt
    7B05 1443 Craigendoran Jn
    6E46 1524 Spean Bridge
    6S56 1542 Craigendoran Jn
    1B14 1730 Craigendoran Jn
    1M15 1742 Spean Bridge
    1T52 1800 Taynuilt
    1B15 1900 Craigendoran Jn
     
  30. Jamy

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    Yeah I've always wanted the hope valley line, it as something for everyone and is the perfect length for TSW
     
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    Discounting the sleeper train services which won't get included due to no suitable rolling stock we are down to 18 services in a 13 hour period.
    Not sure how you feel but Id struggle to justify splurging 20 let alone 25 notes on this.
     
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  32. OldVern

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    Well it takes 3 hours or more to run from Helensburgh Upper to Fort William, so I could see the services being split in two. The appeal of this route (or part of it) is not just the service level but the magnificent scenery and the operational challenge getting over (and down) the gradients.
     
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    I'm very familiar with the route having taken trains over Rannoch Moor numerous times and there's no doubt it's a stunning route. But there's equally stunning routes which more variety and game play elements which would be more suitable for TSW.
    I highly recommend the TS1 version if you haven't already got it
     
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  34. OldVern

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    I have just bought it in the sale.Tthe route is okay though suffers from the "avenue of trees" syndrome that also afflicted the Kyle Line (not sure if the same author). Unfortunately the supplied 37 is a bit naff, seems like a spin off from the one we originally got in Rail Simulator (Railworks) so I'm currently working on producing scenarios which use a better version and also go end to end, as I don't think any of those supplied cover the whole line in one hit.
     
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    I found the Kyle line very true to life TBh
     
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  36. RailFan97

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    I'd like to see the following routes on TSW2. I think all offer a decent driving experience with different route options:
    - London Fenchuch Street to Shoeburyness via Dagenham/Basildon/Chafford Hundred with Class 357
    - Birmingham Cross-City Line with Class 323 (Litchfield Trent Valley to Bromsgrove and Redditch via Birmingham New Street)
    - London Marylebone to Aylesbury via Harrow-on-the-Hill/High Wycombe with Class 165
     
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  37. davidh0501

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    Another one who'd vote for Woodhead.
    Enjoyed the TS1 route.
     
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  38. Sharaf

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    For me personally, I'd love to see the following British routes for TSW2:
    London to Peterborough using the Class 801, HST and the Class 166
    Extension of the current Great Western Mainline DLC to Oxford like in TS1(currently the route stops at Reading)
    Settle to Carlie (Steam era)
    Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway line from Bath Green Park to Templecombe, including Evercreech Junction (Steam Era)
    Newcastle to York
    London to Brighton
     
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  39. redrev1917

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    Oxford extension to GWE is not going to happen.
    Settle to Carlisle has been done to death
    Newcastle to York at 85miles is on the limit of what's doable.

    London to Brighton released last year.
     
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  40. dhekelian

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    tbf the thread is routes you want to see developed not that are. I'd love to see Didcot - Oxford - Birmingham developed and know it will never happen but I still wish it.
     
  41. Tom Sykes

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    Here's my route suggestion: Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Piccadilly, featuring Northern Trains Class 323 and Class 319 EMUs.

    The route between Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Piccadilly stretches 31 miles (slightly shorter than TSW: Great Western Express at 36 miles), taking players along the 17-station route which on average takes just over an hour to complete with a max speed limit of 90mph.

    Snapshot:
    • 31 Mile Route
    • 17 Stations
    • Northern Trains Class 323 EMU
    • Northern Trains Class 319 EMU
    • Era: 2015+
    See more here: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/liverpool-lime-street-to-manchester-piccadilly.22486/
     
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  42. squerble

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    Personal wishlist:

    BML Expansion and merge with ECW:
    • Get the main branch up to London Bridge, and then bring in Thameslink 700s
    • Add the two terminating branches from Purley to Caterham and Tottenham Corner
    • Merge in East Coastway, adding in the joining line from Wivelsfield to Lewes.

    Merseyrail - Northern and Wirral lines with Stock Interchange Line
    Yes it's another 3rd rail route, however a nice set of routes. Offering short services (Central - Kirby - Central - 20 mins each way) up to very long route when doing West Kirby - West Kirby round the loop, meaning a full run across the Wirral, round the loop under Liverpool, and back across to West Kirby. Stock Interchange line would add some nice ECS moves either to Birkenhead or Kirkdale depots etc.
    • 507/508 stock should be a relatively "easy" undertaking as it's very, very close to the 313.
    • 777 still not in in real life, but would be a duplication of the 507/508 timetables as the 777 will be replacing them. That means an "easier" DLC in only needing to create the new stock and not new timetables.
    Liverpool Lime Street to Man Piccadilly via Chat Moss
    Nice route, variety of stopping available, variety of modern electric traction and older diesels. Could run Northern and TPE trains.
     
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    Soon, believe me. Work in progress ;)

    20220410_073757.jpg 20220410_073713.jpg 20220410_073641.jpg
     
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    I know, I keep seeing them on the Mereseyrail lines doing their fault-free running tests. Just a shame I'm on the 507 going past them! :D
     
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    Kgx to pbo.

    this is all
     
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    I'd like to see loco-hauled intercity passenger services like the Highland Sleeper or Night Riviera; modeled interiors for the dining cars and sleepers and the ability to combine and split the trains like they do at Edinburgh.
    Or at the very least some kind of intercity services that are similar to the GWE in terms of rolling stock and passenger amenities, but with a modeled kitchen like the Amfleet I cafe has.
     
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    Honestly, i dont think DTG would ever add a ton of locos in a single route, but they can use locos from several DLCs. Look at the Dresden-Riesa DLC: you can drive the 143/146 with the Dostos, 185/155 for freight (and the mentioned 143/146 can be used too), the Talent 2, and express services with the 101 and even the ICE train. Seven different trains, and the route doesnt even include any new stock exclusive to it.

    Based on the Dresden experience, i think that after Spirit of Steam gets fully released, if there is any route in the UK where whatever steam locos they create and any of the locos included in NTP/TVL/WSR coexisted, they could totally do a transition era DLC. If none of the already existent diesel locos coexisted with steam ones, they can do what they did with Tharandter Rampe: add a new loco exclusive to that route and combine it with the steam locos that they would already have from other DLCs.
     
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  48. chacal#2181

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    What about Settle-Carlisle Railway ?
    72 miles that a bit long i agree but the stations are not too big, the timetable is reasonable, the scenery would be stunning if done properly.

    By the way anything with a 45 inside would be nice. !!! Maybe Scotland ?
     
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    There are loads of routes that were made for TS Classic that could greatly expand TSW's...world without even having to leave DTG's UK. Woodhead in Blue seems popular and would be a way of revisiting some of the atmospherics of the Trans Pennine route while providing a challenge with those early AC trains, and its length fits nicely into TSW. I'd also echo those rural Scottish lines, similar stock to the Somerset route but with far more interesting visuals, how viable a 3 hour run on the Kyle line would be I don't know.

    If the steam rollout is a success, it opens up little contained routes like Conwy Valley or the old Falmouth Branch line too, the former in particular only ever got a fan-made route (albeit a very good one) in TSC so I'd love to see it given a pro treatment.
     
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  50. Mich

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    DTG have so many steam locos they need to do, we're still missing basic workhorses like the Pannier, Austerity, or Black 5. Not to mention massive icons like the Peppercorn A1, or the Greasley Pacific's. It's going to be years before they can get a reliable pool of steam locos going. Especially if steam has to compete for resources with modern UK routes and foreign steam.
     

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