Hello everyone, I wonder if there will be an old line for steam locomotives only or if a museum locomotive will be introduced to current lines in Germany today. Recently, the narrow-gauge railways in Saxony and the Harz Mountains have been running reliably, but not steam locomotives for 1435mm. I imagine it would be difficult to research individual German railway books to get the necessary details of the routes. The most beautiful would be a line in the GDR for me. The railway was the most important means of transport until the end, with a lot of freight traffic and many sidings. I would like to see routes in the Nossen area. One of the last places where steam locomotives were used in the GDR. Will it be a complex network or a branch line? Perhaps narrow-gauge railways are simpler? What do you think?
I remember DTG saying they'd prefer to do historic routes over heritage routes. Curious to see what they'll do, because the only German steam route they ever did for Train Simulator was a heritage route.
Id love to see the Wutachtalbahn make a comeback in TSW, but I'm also hoping for some mainline action, hopefully with a BR 03 or BR 01.
There is a reason why historical German railways don't feel quite as romantic as they do here - that's probably why heritage routes are more likely.
Do the railways need to be romantic? Tees Valley isn't the most romantical place, yet I still enjoy the route. I don't know enough about Germany's railway history. Obviously they were involved in two World Wars, which I guess would be an era being avoided because of controversy (although I can imagine wartime comes with its own railway operations which could perhaps be an interesting twist from the usual stuff), but steam trains were around much longer than just two wartime periods. Perhaps I'm overlooking stuff, but what's the problem with German historic routes?
Harzquerbahn (sp) would be nice and it does (sort of) have the merit of at least in part being a day to day operation, not just a tourist outfit. It depends if DTG are ready to embrace narrow gauge and of course what section of a fairly big network they might contemplate building - the line up to Brocken being the obvious crowd pleaser.
Well, I could see a pretty obvious choice which is DCZ. Two working turntables at Chemnitz-Hilbersdorf (which is the Saxon Railway Museum nowadays) and the double tractions to haul the trains up the Tharandter Rampe could give us a lot of interesting action.
Well, there are quite a lot options at first. I don't see why, for example a part of the Rhine-Valley-Route shouldn't be romantic at all...I mean, would be a route like Koblenz-Bingen-Mainz with BR 01 and the 'Rheingold' less scenic than the same route with BR 101 and ICE? Still depends, if they can get the needed references for a historic route like that... A heritage/narrow-gauge route, Well, maybe it would be easier to get the references, but as DBAG doesn't own any of them, licenses could become a problem. Finally one can even think about some "Plandampf-expansion-Pack' for existing routes like Tharandter Rampe, Main-Spessart-Bahn or Ruhr-Sieg-Nord. And due to war reparations, left rolling stock etc. german steam locos would have been in use in the whole european continent from Norway to Greece, from France to Latvia...
I don't know about route but i hope we will get DRB 52 or/and DRB 75 And as you probally know i want them cause we have them here in Slovenia DRB 52 is SŽ 33 and DRB 75 is SŽ 17
1950s Main Spessart Bahn with DB BR095 DB BR023 DB BR082 DB BR005. A change of pace journey mode with DB BR110 DB BR150 144 194 West Germany Deutsche Bundesbahn. If we want Deutsche Reichsbahn DDR a 1970s-1980s Berlin Dresden line (Best suited is Dresden Elsterwerda) merged with Riesa-Dresden 1970s-1980s DDR era without the fast line connector which is the Weißig–Böhla Line. Coaches Orange & Beige Stadtseexpress with Rekowagen restaurant coaches DR 23.10 DR 01.5 DR 01.5 DR65.10 High Speed DR18 201 Note will affect DRA DCZ contemporary timetables as a Railtour or Regular Service.
Thats what i thought, we have already a Route. DTG put a lot of detail into the museum, so i think there are plans to make dlc(s) for this route for sure. And the fact it isnt as busy as brighton for example makes it less complicated to include tour, steam and classic german diesel action .
I suspect that, as with the British and probably the US route, it will be postwar simply because the farther you go back in time, the more difficult the research becomes and the more bespoke assets you have to create. This REALLY becomes the case with Germany, since anything they do that isn't post-1945 would have to be set before 1933. DBB ran steam locos right into the 1970s, and I believe DR did the same. I really doubt it will be narrow-gauge, because the loco wouldn't be reusable.
I personally would love to see anything from the Harzer Schmalspurbahnen and given it is still steam operated and probably the most popular of its kind, we actually might see it somewhere down the pipeline (see my signature for suggestion reference). German steam might though probably truly debut on DCZ as some have mentioned already as the line has not one but two active museums both recreated in-game. This route is basically an invitation letter for any heritage loco DLC.
I'd absolutely love a period mainline route like the Moselstrecke or Preußische Ostbahn, and I have made suggestions for these. However, I think anything outside it modern day preservation will be unlikely, I'm just hoping it wont be one of those lines with a 40 km/h max speed. I of course live these lines in real life, and many are really scenic and fun, but if I'm finally getting to operate a German steam engine, I'd like to push it to it's limits.
If we get something for the museum in Chemnitz today, it´s probably class 50.35, which you can use still everywhere in GDR for a historic route. Class 50.35 hauled passenger trains and freight trains as well. In the GDR we had more trains, and more tracks, so the route shoudn´t be longer than DRA. Hopefully we don´t see the big stations like Leipzig or Dresden. I imagine something smaller with good options for gameplay. For example: Bautzen-Görlitz or Erfurt-Eisenach for a to b lines. There you can push it to the limits of speed and weight. on both you have a several of engine sheds, not to small freight yards and a fast mainline. Something different than there is now, building a network with a couple of shorter lines than long a to b lines. So you get with one network a lot of different gameplay options. Fastpassenger service, long freight services on mainline, but also slow services on branch lines. Like railway junction Nossen with 3 different lines : Nossen-Freiberg, Nossen-Riesa, Coswig-Meißen-Nossen-Döbeln-(Borsdorf). i like the idea of doing different services and taking water and coal inbetween in one scenario. That´s what operating steam loco is like. another idea ist Eilenburg near Leipzig. There are mainlines: Leipzig-Eilenburg-Falkenberg-Cottbus and Eilenburg-Halle, but also branch lines to Wurzen and to Laußig-Pretzsch-Wittenberg. There is a scenic trainz project.
How about the locomotive works at Meiningen, and the associated line in the Werra valley. it gives the opportunity to use almost any steam loco, and a picturesque area to run through... when I took the trip from Frankfurt to Meiningen back in 2002 there was even a station with a collectable ready for anyone to get...
Well, "late 40s" isn't really on the table anyway, since DBB and DR weren't formed until late 1949. DBB immediately ordered a considerable number of steam locomotives, because they needed to replace destroyed traction fast and the designs already existed. It would take time to design new diesels, and electrics were dependent on line electrification. 105 Class 23 (2-6-2 passenger) 18 Class 65 (2-8-4T passenger) 41 Class 82 (0-10-0T freight) 2 each Class 10 and Class 66 in addition there were a fair number of surviving DRG Einheitsloks, and even a small but nontrivial number of Landesbahn locomotives Diesels started to appear in the mid-1950s, especially the vast number of V 60 (BR36x) shunters, and the impressive but never numerous V 200 (BR220) express engines. The workhorse V 160 (BR21x) came out in the early 1960s. Also in the mid-50s DB and its contractors finalized the designs of the Einheitselektrolok (standard electric locomotive) family, the E 10-40-50 series, which were the backbone of DBB electric traction well into the 1980s. Still a route set in 1960 would have a LOT of steam engines, and one set in 1955 would have just about nothing but.
In East Germany, some ended up being a Rekolok which meant Reconstruction locomotive more information is from the German Wikipedia. DR 41 became Deutsche Reichsbahn DDR DR 41 Rekolok. Here's a DR 41 rekolok matching route Riesa-Dresden & Dresden Chemnitz Tharandter Rampe. Locomotive documentation has Chemnitz written as Karl Marx Stadt for any East German Steam locomotives
For diesel locomotives, you have DR BR119 U-Boat DR BR118 DR BR132 in the original paint DR V100 dark red paint Orange DR V60. Here's a DR BR119 U Boat DR V60 East German answer to DB BR363 suited for Riesa Dresden & Dresden Karl Marx Stadt (Chemnitz) Tharandter Rampe with DR Rekolok Cab
