Why Is There No Obb 1116 Layer On Vorarlberg?

There's a tremendous amount of presumptions and very little concrete evidence of Intent In here.

Anyone else fancy building a house on jelly foundations until we know for certain. We can post angrily in the mean time from our position of the unknown

 

DTG Forums in a nutshell.

 

Looks like we might be getting some services after all! Early days yet, I know, but it's nice to know DTG are considering it.

 

They will need to rebake timetables for the expert 101 anyway, so it's a good opportunity to sneak in a few, I suppose.

 

This is really good news and I'm considering picking up Semmeringbahn as a result. The best scenario would be to include all of the real-life services (if that's 8, then it's 8, but if it's 80, I'd like to see them).

Thanks to DTG for responding to customer feedback - hope this can be encouraged in the right direction.

 

Yes, this would be awesome

 

That is great. can't wait to play and or see them on the route

 

Did they just confirm it in the stream?

 

Absolutely, very well said. Vorarlberg literally just needs some long-distance OBB passenger services and then it's pretty much a complete route - I'm also very happy DTG has listened to valued player feedback, so good on them.

 

Yes, this is a welcome upgrade, and will make me much more keen to play Vorarlberg

 

Good news! Though I wonder how many "small handful" exactly is. How many Taurus services run on this route in reality?

 

Good question some of them are the following 1116 Wiesel Doppelstockwagen Railjet or 1216 front 1116 rear this would be Zürich Hb to Croatia sleeper train via Villach. The reason for it is very simple EN40414 has to climb the Alps twice Tauernbahn & Arlbergbahn St Anton Im Arlberg Innsbruck Hbf section.

 

Following May's roadmap, I'm rather puzzled. So according to the roadmap Q+A, Vorarlberg is supposedly just getting four new 1116 freight services? I just don't see the logic, it's passenger services people have been requesting; there's already plenty of decent freight from the Vectron and 185 for this route.

 

Because as far as I can tell no Taurus/Eurofima coach passenger services use the line. There is the Eurocity Albert Einstein which stops in Bregenz, but it's SBB (Swiss) and moreover no longer uses the Vorarlberg line since it was re-routed from Lindauinsel to Lindau-Reutin Bf. Between Bregenz and Dornbirn there are a couple of RJX and a NJ, but we don't have either in the game.
Otherwise everything on the route is S-Bahn or the REX 1, all EMUs.

 

Bludenz-Bregenz segment is heavily used by RJX/NJ, as far as I know

 

At least they could populate wolfurt / bludenz with a few static 1116.

Same for semmering bahn, which could use static vectrons in wien neustadt.

Hell in northern transpennine even the static stock in depots was substituting. So why this became lost over 3 tsw iterations??

By the way what about the semmering update? I have not a single vectron appearing. Was there anything mentioned?

 

Also on Salzburg pretty much all the freight locos where 155 and i have seen 1 single Vectron in two runs. This was at launch, i did not play anymore afterwards because it got boring. I have also not seen any Vectron on Semmering in 6-7 runs. This a core issue, i have said countless times the substitution is no longer working since TSW4 came out. For german routes you might have a chance of 1 out of 9 to see some other loco than the one from the actual route. In TSW 3 even on RSN or MSB it was a joy,and you could see everything from 155/182/187 in one single run. Now? its only 185 for all the freight and its not even taking other variants from other routes, its same 185 that the route comes with.

 

True, but we don't have those trains (yet)

 

I have seen SO MANY RailJets today <3 once I get some sleep and all, I will upload my today's pics and videos CityJets, RailJets, 4024/4124 (also MAV/Hungarian)... and my best catch was CAT (was going so fast and passing so close it almost blew me from the train stop to actual Zentralfriedhof lol)

 

yeah on SRM in 2013 it's pretty normal to see a load of 185. I've never seen a 155 there irl in the last three years at least. ÖBB 1116's are common but no 182's. vectron is also a very common loco in front of freight. I suppose the layering percentages for loco's are the same for every route. and the new TSW broke layering altogether. I'm not sure how well it still works in the other countries like british old diesels that all can drive the same service or interchangable US loco's. but I mainly hear german substitution being broken. for it being broken I haven't seen a 112 run a freight train in a while. that's a plus I'd say.

 

DTG is still pretending everything is fine...

On salzburg rosenheim, the substitution works, but i realized the "random pattern" isnt there. Way too many 155s. Havent had a single 187 spawned ever since tsw4.

A very poor show from the devs whatever they changed. In tsw3 it was very balanced and smooth. No unit was very rare or in a annoying high amount on the trains.

Also substitution of static locos disappeared. We had that on both Ntp and tvl depots.

This LOVE is the reason i skip a lot of dlcs currently.

 

DTG Matt Would love some word on why the substitution in german dlc's seem to be broken/way off balance. Noticed it too where on every run the same creators club vectron is standing in one specific yard

 

well I suppose on the inside there are some works on patches. finding out why stuff is broken but just like the still not acknowledged issues with the 1116 not having a working LZB screen or lighting issues the cab has/had. don't think those have been fixed in the last patch so I expect in a later, maybe summer core update. or never

 

Nah, before the opening of Lindau-Reutin, there were 8 ICs (München-)Lindau-St. Margrethen(-Zürich) with (SBB) Eurofima coaches (with DB-218/SBB Re421) and one IC pair (Dortmund-)Lindau Hbf-Bludenz(-Innsbruck) with ÖBB Eurofima coaches and DB-218/ÖBB 1116

around minute 13:10/15:00

 

Yes, that was then.

 

And, as we all know, that no station Lindau-Reuttin is in game, we can actually confirm, that the map is set to this 'then'. And there aren't even any construction workings going on, so, we all know, that the ingame map is set to a date when this 'then' was present.

 

Interesting. But not apparently do-able without the 218 (unless DTG simply were to cheat and put 101s on them- although how they came through Kempten would be interesting to imagine). When Lindau-insel was still the only station, where did locomotive exchanges happen?

There's a mod that makes SBB Eurofima coaches, but that obviously isn't in play for DTG.

 

The loco change was at Lindau Insel (then Hbf). The train had to change direction there anyway.

We need an SBB 420 and coaches for Luzern - Sursee, and they would really add to this route too (and any future SBB routes).

 

Semmeringbahn might be the next example of this. Many people want the Railjet as a loco, but who says that it will come as a loco DLC?

They might sell the Railjet together with a new route then saying the same about Semmeringbahn.

There surely needs to change something in DTGs practice to build and/or update timetables of older routes when an appropriate new loco, which is or was used on this route, is out.

 

Isn't the ES-64 a Eurosprinter just like the 1116, which you can already get on Voralberg? How different are they? I really am not into Continental trains, so they all seem sorta the same to me. I also don't know how much work it takes to create a "substitution" without a new "timetable layer", because there are a LOT more of those than actual NEW content. Is the original intent to get more content for the 1116? Or just to see it? If you can substitute easier than build a new timetable, then the 1116 should be a 1:1 swap in for the existing 185 (like on so many other routes)

Here's all I could get on google about the ES64/1116 thing:
"Based on the Eurosprinter concept the ES 64 U was developed as a universal electric locomotive with a top speed of 230 km/h (140 mph). The series ES 64 U is only capable of operating on the 15 kV 16.7 Hz AC supply. It is in service in Austria with ÖBB as Class 1016. Unlike the F series, all U series are equipped with quill drive instead, thus reducing the track forces.[3] The ÖBB assigned the protected name Taurus to Class 1016 (and later to the Classes 1116 and 1216); since then all ES 64 U+ series are widely known as 'Taurus' locos."

Now we have the ES64U you can ALREADY get on Voralberg if you buy the other routes that have it. So.... is it just a livery thing? A country name thing? Are all the ES64U basically the same under different names?

You can already substitute the 1116 for the 185 so.... are you just asking for more content? As I said you can GET an ES 64U layer add on if you have 3 other DLC to enable it.... but just DRIVING the 1116 can already be done in the existing timetable.

 

There are different variants in terms of power system configurations and safety systems. Also for the SBB net a third pantograph is needed. In TSW the Dispolok + the 1116 are the most updated. MRCE ES64 + BR182 cry for an update. --> Brake systems not modeled and sounds are old. Welcome DTG mess!

Here a sheet from 2007, which were the configurations backthen:

 

Thanks for the info. Wow, lots of subvariants. I tried getting a good answer on why the Amtrak trains don't work on European electric routes since they were based on European designs (AL-46, ATS-64, Acela) and WOW was that a rabbit hole. Seems like there is every sort of combination of voltage depending on where you go. I mean it makes historical sense why and that in itself is interesting from a historical perspective but it gets real complicated real fast.
At least it's not a different rail gauge for every country... hooray for diesel since it goes everywhere!

 

Which is why the TEE originally was specified as a diesel system.

 

TEE?

 

TEE = Trans Europe Express
The DB Class VT 11.5 diesel trainset was the best known of the original TEE trainsets (and exists in TSC), but there was also the Dutch NS developed RAm / DE, and at least one of the cab cars of these ended up on the Ontario Northland Railway's Northlander service, where I travelled behind it from Toronto. The Northlander was discontinued in 2012 (boo!) but is being reinstated (hurrah!), though the cab car has gone back to the Netherlands.

 

So er, what happened to this? I thought passenger services were meant to be added to the Vorarlberg timetable as of a few roadmaps ago?

 

Probably forgotten..., same with the 1116 which is not appearing on any service.

They really claimed to have fixed this + the vectron on semmering. But no taurus shows up on vorarlberg and neither a single vectron on semmering, except when you choose the service directly from the menu..., (but this is not substitution)

I for my self skipped another dlc with the 158, get them all on heavy sale (not 40%, not 50% and not 75%) , i spend my money when there is a humble bumble 80% discount at least.

 

Was it for passenger services? I thought the plan was only to add in freight substitution.

I recall mention of looking into passenger services, but we all know how that usually goes.