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Xc/wmr 170 Is Being Developed By Rivet Games

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by MrSouthernDriver, Jul 8, 2025 at 2:07 PM.

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  1. Nick Y

    Nick Y Well-Known Member

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    Yes, XC use both class 220 and 221s but the 221s have the tilt isolated on the XC units.
    XC also recently obtained some ex-avanti 221s.
     
    Nick Y, Jul 9, 2025 at 7:15 PM
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  2. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Long story short Cross-country couldn't afford the maintenance cost for tilting trains. Avanti could.
     
    TSW Nathan, Jul 9, 2025 at 7:27 PM
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  3. SierraOscar95

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    Not strictly... I believe it was more the fact that XCs 220s and 221s didn't really make as much use of the EPS areas as the Virgin/Avanti Voyagers, so to cut back maintenance costs the tilting ability was removed. Not because they couldn't afford it, but because it didn't make economical sense to maintain the part of the units that didn't really offer much benefit in the grand scheme of things. Where as Virgin/Avanti could make more of the EPS areas as they run on larger sections of the WCMLS.

    I stand to be corrected though.
     
    SierraOscar95, Jul 9, 2025 at 7:31 PM
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  4. florians#7620

    florians#7620 Well-Known Member

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    Both!
     
    florians#7620, Jul 9, 2025 at 7:42 PM
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  5. FredElliott

    FredElliott Well-Known Member

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    Don't be greedy
     
    FredElliott, Jul 9, 2025 at 7:51 PM
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  6. stevenwalker1985

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    I know.
     
    stevenwalker1985, Jul 9, 2025 at 10:58 PM
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  7. markmcqn

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    Only thing I'll say about that is even if we are getting a 220/221 Matt would say the same thing as to not give anything away about tsw6
     
    markmcqn, Jul 9, 2025 at 11:16 PM
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  8. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    If we do get voyagers don't let rivet anywhere near them. They've ruined enough locos
     
    TSW Nathan, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:09 AM
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    A XC voyager will come with the new TSW6 passenger setup. That being the train's already packed to capacity and people standing in the aisles and vestibules. Ticket check mode will involve you not bothering...
     
    maccagee#4924, Jul 10, 2025 at 9:17 AM
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  10. OldVern

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    And smellovision when the rancid retention toilets start backing up!
     
    OldVern, Jul 10, 2025 at 11:28 AM
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