Seems to me they are both at fault. But the liar in the room seems more to be ATS. They were the ones who said the wrong build was submitted by DTG. If that was the truth the actual build would have been released by now 6 weeks later. And from other statements by Alan lately have proven that that was completely false and it was never really ready to be shipped. Then there is DTG with their poor QA who should have flagged this DLC and it should of been shipped back to ATS for fixes and released later. They should never have approved it to stores in the 1st place. I also tend to think that this could have been sorted if DTG were giving more oversight with 3rd parties than the full freedom they seem to do now. But with the poor QA that would be a mute point anyways.
What I’ve been saying mate. You know like all the rest here on the forum what the problem has been for a number of years. A drop in standard the of quality and customer service/ relations. The forum going around and around. It was never my intentions to offend the community but to realise that no matter what we said nothing changed. Hours wasted on feedbacks, comments etc. Yet nothing changed except the mood or the room. The community environment. Walk away or make a stand. Again in the emotional sense, removing all the negativity or pent up resentments. And the community has made that stand. No more words, a call for actions. The community has stuck to its guns and will not let this carry on any longer than it has. To reason with each other instead of working against each other. It achieves nothing, yet look what can happen when the community does stick together. Not to sabotage or destroy a company or individual but to simply get the respect we the consumer deserve. No excuses, no fumbling around like a company that’s hasn’t got a clue. Totally indifference to what’s happening in front of them. We the community had to talk about this. The facts, the underlying issues, the hidden agenda, and the fight for the narrative. Even the friction between ambassadors, the wider media and even here. They avoid me like the plague mate. YT they hide my comments mate. Can you see the problem here. Content that never is directly aimed at the White Elephant in the Room. All the while fans are switching off because they own a DTG or 3rd party product so know what’s fully going on. We’re fools not stupid. So it’s now one of those moments when it seems like things are getting much worse. With whatever new news which has now come to light about the situation will no doubt come with more noise. It will have to come from DTG really, ATS I don’t follow and to be honest with you is not a good idea to be chatting to fans like mates. A company has to have some kind of professional spokesperson if operating on a larger business contract and product line. If not then I think we’re going to witness or is already seeing the poop show unfold. Media and how the public responds or reacts. ✌.
If I can find it mate I’ll post back on here later. The thread subject was surrounding the topic of communication between DTG and 3rd Parties. Now it has nothing directly to do with the ATS situation, however it might offer some intriguing information (If not removed). Basically the thread had a response from DTG Alex. A few comments based on the situation concerning inside communications. He was in agreement with what (edit) was being discussed about a drop in communication and how office politics can rise it’s ugly head. I dealt with 3rd parties myself so know first hand what can happen if things go wrong. The blaming game. Is that what we are now witnessing, that blaming game?. Could be, if I can retrieve that thread then like I say it could offer some insight into what seems to be happening in terms of who said what etc between DTG and ATS. How even long before this upset, it did seem that DTG was silently (edit) dropping a hint that yes some 3rd parties might be making the situation harder for themselves and so impacts any line of communication before releasing. ✌.
Here you go. The full thread for context. (Only one page). https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/it’s-alright-mr-tsw.95424/ ✌.
Absolutely spot on mate. You summed it up perfectly. I’ve said this before, but they’re dangerous close as being branded a Rivet equivalent. In my opinion they’ve had 2/2 shoddy releases now. Some will disagree and say MAC is a good route, but I can’t overlook the track build error by ATS and it not being fixed. You probably know what I’m referring to already, but here’s a video incase you’re unsure what I’m talking about: What baffles me is that there are members of the community who have this thought mentality, that you don’t have the right to protest when you buy content for the game. Voicing your concerns on a product you bought is taboo in their opinion and it’s my/your fault for buying the content in the first place. If we do stay silent then who will take notice. As a paying customer I feel it’s my moral obligation to scream from the high heavens when a dlc I bought doesn’t work. It’s been proven time and time again that being vocal does bring change. Some 3PD’s are more aware than others though. I’ve not really noticed that about YT comments, that’s crazy. I’m definitely going to start playing more attention to comments disappearing. It doesn’t surprise me though, DTG want to give newcomers to game the illusion that their game is picture perfect, it’s only when you dig further down the rabbits hole that the cracks start to show.
So I've bought most of the UK freight cars, and I think this loco would go great with them. Is this just not working, what is the current state? Is it usable? That said, I have been less than impressed with layers that are supposed to work with given lines actually being able to be enabled - please see https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/cant-activate-nahverkehr-freight-layers-on-spoorlijn.98050/. I'm kind of tired of buying layers that should work and having them not actually work (or even be able to be enabled).I'm going through buying these items on sale and in case after case either I didn't understand what layers would work with which routes, or they just didn't work. Could this layer process be smoothed out somehow, and which packs work with with other DLC be made clear?
My friend it’s never about being forcibly right to feed the ego. Again was never my intentions to offend anyone. It’s quite simple for the community to simplify, if not it’s noise and nothing gets heard. We had to do this, stop the noise and speak up with truth. No more lies, or more false promises made by DTG or 3rd parties. No more anger toward each other. You too have summed it up. No need to put others down if they are deeply involved. Money and then the pure frustration when dealing with DTG will show. People will voice their concerns. Okay not always how some would like yet emotions are high. Why because the consumers and we the community have had enough. So again we’re in total agreement. For once a man speaking truth and I have deep respect for that. You and every single person has a right to defend their civil liberties/ rights without fear of retaliation against a belief or common opinion. We all have something to say but who are we to judge the person behind the screen. It’s perfectly clear to see people have simply had enough, emotions can run high, thus can feel personal at times. Ie, Comments etc disappear or strange activity, the pattern of evidence learns towards a perfect illustration of keeping the voices down. Control the narrative, remove any negative criticism. Shadow bans etc. It’s why most media sites removed the down voting. You can see now why I don’t believe thumbs up hardly reflect a true opinion. Words matter, thumbs manipulate the algorithms and mass thinking. Or what would be commonly referred to as group mentality, the herd. A comment has 50 likes well that must be true. Follow and that to me is the death of critical thinking right there. If not then nothing will change. Even on a wider scope. For ATS MAC DLC. My experience. Held off due to reviews. Purchased on offer. Played the introduction and that’s that. Not picked it up since then so wasn’t aware of the issues that you’ve identified. Yet again issues left and it’s just not good enough. I had all the personal side to contend with, DTG removing random work with no consistency. Asking to speak privately yet turned into a poop show on the forums. All this impacts my ability to full enjoy a product. The customer care side is just non existent. Again don’t care about a lengthy community project yet all over the forums when it’s criticism about DTG or 3rd party. The silly tik for tat from TSS and TSD. What was that all about?. I get the whys but there was just no need to defend. For me it places division between fans and us here within the community. Fanboys or TSW Mafia sticking together. And then us a community screaming for fixes and/or any clear updates. Again from my personal opinion cannot trust ambassadors as they do tend to sway away from hard questing, whereas for TSS says it how it is, He understands the fan’s concerns and so gives a fair assessment of a product and of individuals. His YT views are very high compared to some ambassadors, thus illustrating where fans and critics own personal choice comes into play. And then the last part, (Not long now ). Again you have clearly identified a deeper concern. You and I are not the only ones to grasp the hidden reality behind the rabbit hole. To simplify. Loyal customer perception. Large back catalogue, many unused. Having to wait, uncertain for when patches/ updates arrive. Outside of returns policies. Due to a decline in some products now hold back on further purchases. Play any unused items. Backs away from any real interest surrounding the franchise, leave a forum, stop making livery content, YT or other social media/networking platforms. New customer perspectives, are how I’d believe this is what it would be. See the free game, will impulse buy for DTG will offer sales around a new core TSW title release. More often than not it’s the free game that draws in people that may have no interest whatsoever in trains. If so can find the game difficult to fully comprehend in what it takes to drive a train. My reference to a past work mate that was fully qualified engineer yet didn’t know how track points work or switching. (I know, how can that be, I guess some never ask questions about the world around them, yet no excuse in their mid 40s). And there is sufficient evidence or reason to believe for the increase in random numbers of people lashing out here there and everywhere. I don’t think it just effects this community environment tho but possibly even streamers or ambassadors trying to make fun or informative content away from a current audience that are increasingly looking for trouble only. So basically if this happens to be an issue could result in members of the public that get bugs confused with lack of understanding lashing out at DTG unfairly, it’s unfair damage reputation. However that being said for those members with real interest in a new TSW title release and do stay will start to see the bigger picture that the once loyal fans do now. Can’t just sit down and play the game, a product could be riddled with many hidden issues that need to be resolved if still on the market. Yes one could say it’s down to a potential customer doing some homework. Yet what about family members that could spend money for a present. Buy blindly because who would ever believe this is what they’re setting themselves in for. That rabbit hole you speak of. And you’d be right because, and why is that?. Well just look at the situation. It speaks for itself. Quality and Customer Support/ assistance or positive attitude towards its customer base using a DTG forum has and not only in my or your own personal opinion but also that of others who recognises DTGs failure to deliver or meet a customers expectations. Be from point of sale or week/ months, even years down the line. It simply it’s good enough. As a customer I can truly say I’ve never been treated in such a manner. And if this is what it takes to get DTG to hear our voices then hey we’re just the customer. What would we know, and if the any company wishes to ignore that, well again we’re just a customer who genuinely doesn’t care about the budgets or how DTG conducts its operations. We simply want a product that works without having all this hassle. With no major apology nor compensation for those impacted, ref to ATS class 90 is a very bad experience for the customer and look for all those involved. Reputations are now on the line. Anyway back to earth mate, sorry it a long one. Being down to earth with you when I say this is that I am fed up. I just wanted to enjoy creating something. No arguments, no up evils, DTG in many ways removed that. If someone took something you loved would you fight?. Or simply say enough is enough, one has standards and the courage to walk away from it all. To emotional detach in order to discuss like civilised human beings. As a community, friends or acquaintances, and even the wider world. I’m sure there is something else we may agree upon is that we don’t need any more fighting. It’s a game and games are meant to be FUN. So if you ever want to have a mess around like a big kid then you know where to find me. Again sorry it was a long one. But yes, respect to you and to all that’s have worked tirelessly to get our voices heard. If something isn’t right then I feel the correct course of action to put it right is to do the right thing and speak up if that’s the only option left. It has been a long time coming and like any actions be positive or negative have an equal or opposite reaction. ✌. (Edit) removed repeat comment. CATS!.
The Main issue as its been already pointed is its Safety Systems Don't work & i think its across all platforms which means you Can't earn the additional Action points. I think there was a mix-up launch the wrong build was released on th e wrong platforms
Just consoles I believe as on PC you can just turn the DSD on after you've put the key in and changed the reverser and all works as it should.
Hopefully u PS5 players get access to mods soon, ROBS just released a fantastic mod for the 90 that sorts out a lot of the sound probs, the traction motors don't sound like there trying to rip through the floor of the cab anymore
I Don't know why but this game is going down hill still no fix for the Br Class 90 no Communication DTG ( Nearly 2 Months after its release) on what's being about or progress on it. A Very Quit & poor road map this Month No word on there other taunt routes like Trent Valley or Preston Crew. The Development has been Suspended on Metro Rivals there new IP Sounds like dark dark days at DTG
It’s a shame they don’t have the ‘correct’ build available to upload. They must have accidentally deleted it.
Maybe they’re finalising stuff like articles and release date etc, clearly both routes a nearing the end of development; there was a dev blog from JT on the 5th and the Steam page for Trent Valley is available to read, I feel like its nearing the end of the QA stage at this point, and Preston - Crewe is well into QA. Maybe we’ll get something on Trent Valley this week since it seems be imminent.
While that would fix some issues, it has been advised (although I cannot find the source, it may be up thread) that a new build is coming and will fix other things as well. It was assumed that the original release may introduce further problems of used.
You can get the train moving if you set it up in exactly the right order (do it wrong and it won't move at all) and even then when you end a run the scoring thinks the safety systems are turned off. So it is still broke even on PC, just not as badly.
So the “correct” build should never have passed QA either? Not that I believe there was ever a correct build in the first place. I strongly believe that we was lied to from day 1 and DTG & ATS both knew it wasn’t in a fit state but released it anyway prior to year end to help massage their figures.
Yet again, Alan and co fail to deliver a product that works, after spending years slagging off DTG and delighting in any little thing they find wrong. People have paid money, and the issue needs sorting. The radio silence from DTG is deafening.
Six Community Managers (if you count the two outsourced ones) plus an EP who presumably signed off on publishing this and not a peep out of any of them. Oh apart from was it one yellow card in another of the Class 90 threads about being too critical. Ignoring the forum and failing to address valid customer complaints does not inspire confidence. It’s not just about high fiving stuff on the Roadmap or release streams, it’s also about not being afraid to come forward and concede when things have gone wrong and more importantly the action plan to sort it out. Communication, in a nutshell. And I sincerely hope even if it can never be stated publicly, the EP or whoever manages the 3P programme has made it clear to ATS they won’t be publishing any further content from them until they pull their socks up. Then again, Rivet…
Couldn’t agree more Vern. Rivet is an interesting one…some cursory digging suggests maybe they were born out of what was DTG SCOTLAND, so make of that what you will.
Yeah i have seen a lot of speculation surrounding it potential release mainly on steam but no conformation from DTG as of yer so there is nothing confirmed
MAC I purchased with a gift card because it was a route I didn't feel excited for, because it doesn't go through to Crewe it's one of my least played routes and while there are people who enjoy it, it's not for me. The class 90 as it stands I've no intention of buying it either with my money or a gift card. Two shoddy releases now for ATS, One more than Athena. But like Athena there has been radio silence from release. I know Johannes will include the 90 with the free North London Line extension but it's not enough to make me buy it. It's been a disaster and I personally feel the people who did buy it were sold a faulty product, plus Candace then criticising players saying complaining about it isn't productive has really left a bad taste in my mouth.
The lags around the yard on MAC are genuinely motion-sickness inducing on PS5. Only happened since the Pendo/announcements etc were added.
I think the biggest benefit TSW would gain, would be is if they stop this focus on feature creep, we all know new features sell copies, my biggest fear i suppose is they will keep on this route without tackling the underlying issues, and the whole house of cards will fall, i don't even think DTG know how to fix most of the issues as there too buried under new features, and they don't want to touch those because they use them as a big selling point, but we are going to get to a point when the whole thing crashes down, the only question is if they will wake up before that happens, there is a real divide beginning to become obvious with TSW and the 3rd party devs, you can clearly see who does this for the love of the hobby and those who are driven by the pound signs, negativity is always louder than positivity i just hope the good folks don't get drowned out.
One further small bug for the devs to work on: Playing on the Steam platform, if you resume a game after having saved it, the Driver Assist constantly nags you to turn on the battery power before attempting to drive the locomotive. Trouble is the battery power is already on. You have to recycle the battery power switch (situated on the outside of the locomotive) in order to get rid of the nagging. It seems that when resuming, the game defaults to battery off and doesn't check the status of the battery switch.
oooh haven't had that one before, what loco was that on? Achievement Unlocked! ⭐ ALL BUGS FOUND You found'em all. Congratulations wonder if we will get an achievement like this at some point
The thing is, I know for a fact that they are around because I made a post that you may consider sus referring to sailing the high seas, that got removed pretty quickly so they are here but don’t care to address valid customer concerns. If TSW didn’t have a pretty much captive audience DTG probably wouldn’t exist and they should remember that. @the CM who did that, can you make it so I can change my signature it’s kinda borked for me and also yarr matey.
2 months is nothing I'm afraid. The CL86 has now gone 10 months without fixes being applied. Not too long now before it will get it's first birthday yet even JT is going along with this radio silence lark.
Don't forget the infamous flashing light bug on the class 66 that's has been around since SEHS was launched, and that was back in 2023
I do agree with this; I think they’re in a mindset of needing new features to validate the new release, when most people (?) would probably be happy with the slate of fit new routes and rolling stock, and a general consistency / consolidation / refinement of previous features. I would rather for example, they improve train faults and speed limits and get them fully optimised before trying to deliver “the next new thing”. I think DTG have delivered some great quality of life / genuinely additive features, but lack the bandwidth to go back and fine tune. Obvious elements like announcements are great and seeing those back ported to older routes would be fantastic, but are stuck in a holding pattern unless the route gets an overhaul
I suspect there’s more to this than meets the eye - like the patch being issued by JT and DTG then sitting on it because it’s on a build that’s been superseded by subsequent DLCs, meaning a testing nightmare for an already overwhelmed QA person/team/bot/whatever. JT probably can’t say anything about it publicly because of the NDA strings. Just speculating, but I’ve been in the software business seemingly forever, and that’s how it smells to me
I've always presumed the prilmary purpose of the annual TSW versions is to attract new customers to the franchise. WIth that in mind, I think DTG could quite happily have produced a TSW7 Standard Edition featuring: - a couple of remastered routes rather than new ones (it's still a lot of work, but far less than producing brand new routes) - a couple of items of new stock or variations of existing stock for the remastered routes - an improved UI - and most importantly, a whole host of bugfixes. I have no doubt new customers would have still bought it, because if you're new to TSW and a route looks good, you're not going to care if it's a remaster. Existing customers would then have received a free upgrade and benefitted from a bunch of long-awaited bugfixes, as well as the new stock and a free remaster for the routes they already owned by way of a "thank you for your patience". In terms of stock, I don't think it would have been a huge undertaking to produce a Class 57 and some Mk3 sleepers in GWR livery for use on GWE:R and Riviera. That same stock could then have been repainted into BR Blue and intercity Swallow to produce scenario packs for the two 1980s WCML routes, and into Caledonian Sleeper livery ready for bundling into a Class 92 DLC with maybe another livery and a suitable freight wagon for use on the three modern-era WCML routes (I can't imagine the 73 or 67 stand much of a chance of being produced). If a Deluxe Edition were to be produced it could have included an extra item of stock and / or maybe something original like the Derby Works to mess around on, Training Centre style. In fact I'd be curious to know what proportion of existing TSW users actually go for the deluxe package vs. just bagging the free upgrade, because I suspect we're a minority (in fact I think I've only ever done it for TSW6). I speak in the past tense as presumably DTG made their decisions on TSW7 about a year ago. JB
Well know. here is the REAL Class 90 story. https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2026/05/luxury-train-hire-service-launched-from-45000-per-day.html
I think I go for the deluxe edition out of convenience… there’s normally one route in there I want haven’t bought and another I’m maybe interested in but just have it on a watchlist.. plus you get the premium locos included… honestly still it touched any of the “discretionary” content form TSW7 , but convince myself each year rational purchase (for me) would’ve been riviera + voyager… but meh, got trains n routes!
Well that’s £12.99 down the drain for the class 90. I haven’t really played on as it’s such a bad condition
So why has Allan not been on the forum explaining whats happening. But he is on YouTube talking about it.
RE the first line in your screenshot it's not just him working on it because he's not a developer himself. His staff are working on it. However it is annoying regarding the lack of communication when it was promised.
If TSW7 was just a huge patch and back porting all the current features to the routes and trains that are missing them I’d actually not mind reinstalling everything, but I personally don’t need another gimmick that doesn’t work properly.
Absolutely, things like the TSR, train faults, Dynamic Weather even parts of PIS incl. announcements need bug squashing before we get more 'features'
