PC Route Mergers In 2022 Lets Build A Network….

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  1. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    This is why I don't think it will ever happen.
    We would be more likely to see new routes such as Basingstoke to Oxford or Reading to Redhill which abut onto existing routes, with maybe some sort of magic portal to walk through between them as the offered solution.
     
  2. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Was really interesting hearing Matt talk about this last night and some of the potential solutions. I hope this one creeps up the development ladder.

    Thanks for discussing DTG
     
  3. solicitr

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    Wait, what? I watched the stream, but don't recall Matt discussing this.
     
  4. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Was discussion around modular routes or extensions, pros and cons. Nothing in pipeline, Matt was just talking about potential solutions IF they ever went down that rabbit hole. Last 10min or so
     
  5. ARuscoe

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    Was discussed right at the very end in the "What are the people on the forums talking about?" section
     
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  6. martschuffing

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    I'd definitely like to see this happening, I think JT's approach to the MML is perfect and should be adopted if it is possible; UE5 anyone?.
     
  7. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    I do like the modular idea, in that if they think of the next three years of routes for each region and how they can intertwine. That could be really interesting seeing some larger networks come together over a couple of years with some longer and potentially equally varied services.
     
  8. ARuscoe

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    Why would this be a model for how things work in TSW?
    When you buy a TSC route you get six or seven standalone scenarios and in each case you need all preceding modules to play any of the scenarios.
    In TSW you would need to have 6 different timetables and additional scenarios and that's without thinking about rolling stock etc

    Hopefully they work out a way of introducing dynamic timetables which look for the extensions and put in the available pathing rather than having to have multiple timetables just to get anything working. For me that's the hardest part of all of this
     
  9. martschuffing

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    I do not know the technicalities of such things I'm just a gamer all I know is that that is something I'd like to see in-game, same as a high percentage of respondents to this thread would.
     
  10. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I've actually bought one or two
    Routes in TSC recently and with the exception of jt burning my retinas I love feeling like I've been somewhere, as well as the shorter services we get.

    I do wonder why so many want older routes extended though. Perhaps some brand new ones built to be extended would be as nice
     
  11. ARuscoe

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    Well this is a discussion forum, so if the idea gets raised (we the community) can discuss...

    I personally would happily see DTG beginning to incorporate multi layer timetables over a larger network, indeed I don't see why they don't allow for routing instructions off map in the same way as they do PIS instructions (future proofing)
     
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    That is completely true, but would be laggy and poorly optimized as hell
     
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  13. ARuscoe

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    Paddington - Reading
    Class 43, Class 166, Class 332, Class 66, Class 360

    Victoria - Brighton
    Class 377, class 387, Class 377, Class 375, Class 465, Class 43, Class 66

    By my reckoning there are more requirements on BML and that runs OK on even my decrepit old PC
     
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  14. dave from Cornwall

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    Ultimately if they were to titivate GWE with a £19-25 add on of extra bonus stuff, it would be the sensible one to do- as we all (potentially) have it due it being the base game in TSW2?
     
  15. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Can I ask a really dumb question. Why is everyone all over GWE?

    They said last night, we said pages ago, there'd be a massive quality difference and it wouldn't look right. They won't rebuild that piece we have too.

    It's done :cool:
     
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  16. dave from Cornwall

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    As I stated, it was the one that everyone "should" have? They previously didnt want to do extensions, because only people with the original could buy the add on?
    That was my logic :)
     
  17. tallboy7648

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    I feel like dtg should've planned ahead for this from the beginning of tsw. Did anyone at dtg really think that nobody would want some sort of extension or mergers of routes. Yeh it is nice to get new routes but not everyone wants to buy different routes all the time. Route mergers are a great way to add alot of value to routes and can easily make dtg some additional revenue in sales. But because the way they build things has evolved and not planning ahead, I don't think some routes can have mergers unless dtg were willing to basically rebuild a route which dtg aren't willing to do

    I do hope this can happen eventually because it is clear that this is something players want
     
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  18. solicitr

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    Except that is no longer true. It was true of TSW1, but now the routes "everybody has" are SKA, Sand Patch and Bakerloo. Bakerloo can't be extended and there isn't much point to extending Sand Patch. So that would leave something out of Köln to the east or south.

    Not a bad idea, in the long term, because that could lead to a 'modularization' of the various Rheinland routes.
     
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  19. tallboy7648

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    Technically bakerloo could be extended if they wanted to make the London Overground Watford DC Line and have it extended north of harrow to Watford Junction or south of queens park to London Euston. It would be cool but I don't see it happening
     
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  20. driverwoods#1787

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    How about North to Duisburg via Düsseldorf linking SKA with HRR or via Wuppertal via Solingen linking SKA with RRO
     
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    Or the high speed line from koln to Frankfurt although that would be quite long. A man can dream though
     
  22. solicitr

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    That wouldn't really be an "extension," though, because it would not extend the Bakerloo proper nor extend runs with the Tube Stock. It would merely make use of what presently are decorative tracks, which if populated would feature quite other trains running elsewhere.
     
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  23. chieflongshin

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    I'd prefer them somewhere like Waverley, linking it to Glasgow, maybe the highlands.

    Alternatively a WCML or ECML modular route.

    I'd welcome similar in the states or Germany too
     
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  24. tallboy7648

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    True but hey if they ever wanted to make a London Overground dlc with the 378s and the 710s, that would be one way of doing it
     
  25. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    I must admit I was running BML the other day and was thinking a 700 and a full window to view from would look nice.
     
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  27. martschuffing

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    I'd like to see modular for Brums network and Manchester's.
     
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    you mean Manchester Ordsall Chord used by Present Day NTP and Calder Valley Trips
     
  29. ARuscoe

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    If a modular network then quite a lot of the below becomes possible / linked up

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  30. chieflongshin

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    I think this is what's needed when planning the next x dlc for a region. Get the big timetable Matt said about, invest in the infrastructure and then it's there as/when/if you want to bolt on, or later on top of it
     
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    The Manchester network as in Don Coffey's.
    And the Brum network as in Coventry Stafford Bromsgrove Redditch Lichfield Trent valley Leamington Spa Bromsgrove via Snow hill Walsall Wolverhampton, now that would be something if possible!
     
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  32. lachlan smith

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    timetables modes from atlantic terminal to hicksvile for long island railroad
     
  33. chieflongshin

    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    Alm
    almost got this.
     
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    Would love to see a BML+ ECW merger in tsw but a man can dream sigh
     
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  35. driverwoods#1787

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    agree with you and when it comes to the merger both routes need a common origin point. Otherwise you will have the same situation seen in train simulator classic where you cannot merge routes due to different common origin points best example is Bahnstrecke Köln Koblenz & Bahnstrecke Koblenz Frankfurt am Main they cannot be merge with each other due to different origin point. Here's Matt's quote on merger
     
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    I would really love to see a merger when more intensive routes are added like the wcml, ecml more german route, etc
     
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  37. chieflongshin

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    I really like the idea of some interconnected routes. Spawning on foot at King's Cross for example I can go to north to Peterborough , Cambridge or elsewhere for example. The terminal stations are so under-utilised at the moment with the a to b snapshot routes
     
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    I agree with you on that one and for that to work both routes must share the common origin point. otherwise you will have the situation Seen in train simulator classic where you cannot merge North Jersey coastline with Northeast Corridor New York Philadelphia and the German equivalent which is Köln Hbf Koblenz with Frankfurt am Main Hbf Koblenz due to them having different origin points
     
  39. PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix

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    I hope this would be the year for route merger to happen. I can't wait if it does :):D
     
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  40. chieflongshin

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    Stations like dresden would be great for mergers
     
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    chieflongshin Well-Known Member

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    15 months out from this original post , we've had some jiggers pokery with SEHS but it would be interesting to see if there is any movement or steps toward modular routes and networks now.


    Are DTG closer to releasing connectable routes?
     
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  42. mattwild55

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    I wonder if some of the improvements from add-on manager will help? Thinking dynamic loading of tiles etc if that is possible. Extremely keen to see this feature added.
     
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  43. chieflongshin

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    I hope something is moving. I think more noise is always beneficial
     
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  44. cloudyskies21

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    Indeed, would be fantastic to have the entire MML, or something like Peterborough to Horsham or Cambridge to Brighton via ECML South, South London Line (plus Thameslink Core) and then obviously London Commuter (plus ECW). Moreover, would also love to see some more routes with New Street and Glasgow Central too.

    Whenever DTG are at the concept stage for a new route, they must always think of future DLC/content - thus no standalone routes like LGV (though I do like this route, so would love more TGV).
     
  45. martschuffing

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    Sure it all boils down to dev time and pushing content out in a timely manner, doing something like JT's MMl in all its glory would be a massive wedge in dev time without much benefit to DtG short term. Don't get me wrong I'd love to see that network in all its glory in TSWXX.
     
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    But isn’t this one of the major criticisms of DTG and their business method, the fact that they churn out DLC upon DLC too frequently and don’t fix underlying bugs ? there should be more dev time imo, this is part of the reasons why we have a partner programme, so it takes more pressure of DTG to churn out content monthly ? i just feel like if they want to deal with some issues they’ll really need to do something about how dlc is released
     
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