Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

I keep watching over the stream and I think I might buy the route just for the multilevel cab car horn it’s so satisfying

 

Well I must say the mastery bug is not the end of the world to me but certainly not nice. I really like the route and rolling stock. What annoys me the most are the service mode timetable and lighting/clipping issues at the tunnels and NY Penn. The scenarios have nice little touch with rolling stock populating sidings etc. I really hope DTG adresses these issues. I really love this game and have been playing since day 1 on Xbox. Really want to support this game still going forwards but sometimes getting little upset and frustrated with new DLCs being like glass half empty

 

Things that are wrong with the game have stood for a very long time. Just look at LIRR as the perfect example. The benefit of the doubt has been truly worn out.

 

At least in the case of LIRR, one could sort of understand the lackluster timetable, as it was because of the broken signalling. Of course, still shameful, but at least it had a technical reason. For this new route, there is no real reason for such a horribly empty timetable other than the need to release for deadline. If a post release patch doesn't give the route a proper timetable, then I am afraid this route will not go down well in history. Will probably end up like LIRR, with barely anyone caring about it anymore.

 

this is how i know i’ll never be an ambassador loool

 

I can understand you having faith and I have no issues with that. But what you mentioned here like save game, that actually it affects the entire community.
When it comes to US content, can you please provide an example when they "fixed it". The LIRR is forgotten, The harlem line as red light that almost a year, Peninsular corridoe still missing services, I'm sure the freight folks can provide some examples

 

The save game isn't fully fixed. It's not reliable unfortunately

 

THIS, and also i’m sure a big chunk of their players, people that will be purchasing this DLC, are likely not from the US and don’t have the extensive knowledge on how busy this route truly is so they can’t be upset over something they don’t know. Since US passengers players are likely in the minority (of their entire player base), we will probably keep getting the short end of the stick. It’s VERY hard to have faith in them. This isn’t a coincidence or a ‘one-off’ incident. This is a pattern that keeps repeating.

 

Not to mention that LIRR was from the very early days of Train Sim World, and the game has significantly evolved since that time. LIRR is understandable with how old it is. NYT has no excuses.

 

Not to mention the DTG Ambassadors apart from one really as far as I'm aware don't often give constructive criticism and suck up whatever Dovetail releases regardless.

For $40 these issues and a inaccurate timetable shouldn't be happening. This route clearly isn't worth $40. I won't be buying this at all. Another TSW3 dlc keeps my wallet closed. Since I don't have boston sprinter, I won't be getting the acela either. 10 services on the NY-Trenton NEC line for the ALP-46? That is just not an accurate representation of the line in real life

 

Get used to it. Glass 3/4 empty is the norm.

 

I doubt an ambassador that gave proper feedback would last long in their program. It's all pom poms and cheering / conformity with that crowd hence why I have always ignored their opinions / content as it's pure bias.

 

I just did the atc and aces training. No train ever leaving ny Penn would ever be routed to track 5 in Newark. That is for raritan valley line only. All trains out of ny Penn go to tracks 3 or 4 so people coming off the path can walk right down the ramp to the platform

 

steam has released the DLC for PC. Downloading now. i’ll have the full timetable for all locos up momentarily.

 

By next week most will be talking about the next incoming German and UK ,speculating on layers, services.The NEC NY- Trenton route will be shelved and forgotten like with the rest of the US content.

 

Quite, I have tried four saves so far and out of those four each one has no objectives on reloading so the next service cannot be completed!

 

SOS still hasn't had anything added to it since release and it is crying out for some DLC as it's timetable is woeful so you aren't alone, granted the UK has faired better but it isn't all rosy in the garden.

Just need to keep speaking up and hope someone listens.

 

I'm actually not having problems with save game, but I know you and others are.

What's notable is that not one word has been said by DTG on this subject since forever. Weren't they still working on it? Have they quietly consigned it to the circular file?

 

the links seem to be in reverse from backward to forward in terms of time, apologies.

ALP SERVICES

https://ibb.co/9Vv6DJq
https://ibb.co/6vmG5Qf
https://ibb.co/MBWX8dq
https://ibb.co/kBXqT44

ACELA SERVICES

https://ibb.co/k9xgQCz
https://ibb.co/5xvWZwn
https://ibb.co/4pxffQn
https://ibb.co/b2snYfk
https://ibb.co/0yFF7Dd

AMTRAK CAB CAR

https://ibb.co/chhJ9TW
https://ibb.co/NFR12K4
https://ibb.co/VgqbCqs

NJ TRANSIT CAB CAR

https://ibb.co/V9r861f
https://ibb.co/FW6Vcwc
https://ibb.co/RSB3Hzn
https://ibb.co/k1CWNMF
https://ibb.co/gTprFkv
https://ibb.co/9HWjb1p
https://ibb.co/KrhS07V
https://ibb.co/JKK9DX3
https://ibb.co/4Jzbjbd
https://ibb.co/nj93sgR

ACS-64

https://ibb.co/vcrD187
https://ibb.co/MP09Qmb
https://ibb.co/CnhV2mG
https://ibb.co/9whtd0h
https://ibb.co/bKkn4J2
https://ibb.co/VDbKVjJ
https://ibb.co/Rb40DMx
https://ibb.co/7Jk8VQ3
https://ibb.co/z4q5YD9
https://ibb.co/9cQT8XD

SCENARIOS

https://ibb.co/55VZBys

 

I've just ran a couple of services up and down Boston and NY - Trenton, and so far it's pretty good!
Despite the timetable complaints, there definitely is PLENTY of racetrack action, I'm usually blowing past a slower service or I'm watching a N.E. Regional fly past.
Is it as dense as it should be? Nah.
But calling the timetable a ghost town is dead wrong. You're gonna find a decent amount of traffic, more than the Harlem Line.
There's a pretty decent variety of stopping patterns. The rolling stock models are pretty damn spot-on, but the sounds aren't as complex as one might expect. I think the running sounds can be improved for all of the trains.

I'm still bothered by the lack of a proper New York/Manhattan skyline in the distance and does detract from the experience a bit.

Getting to know the operating procedures and all the signals is super fun though.
I do find it weird crawling into N.Y. Penn at 15 mph while still a mile away from the platforms, and far from the whole interlocking, it's different to what I expected.

I do LOVE the amount of interactive buttons and switches in the cabs, and being able to mess around with climate controls and light settings.
I think the Acela is definitely the highlight of the DLCs put out today, it's a ton of fun to drive, and it visually looks stunning. If you enjoyed the BR101 DLC and want something of a similar level of quality, I think this comes pretty damn close.
I'll try and write a proper review once I get some more hands-on time with the releases we got today.

 

chatting to one of the ambassadors he mentioned to me the DTG probably represented the NEC NY-Trenton timetable to real life.
I responded" I'm from the area and I know the route. This DLC represents about 20% of reality
That's what I mean these guys that show these routes and know nothing about it.

 

Gosh, I'd really like to share your faith, I really would. But the track record is so woeful, I just have very little confidence that the timetable will come to life.

As someone said, in a couple or three weeks, the initial 75% of sales will have been made and the attention will switch to other prospective routes.

New York -Trenton will be consigned to the back burner, if it's still on the stove at all.

 

As long as they keep getting their freebies they won’t care how accurate they are as long as they don’t say anything too negative so that DTG cuts them off. I hate paid for promotions of any kind, the payment is what does the talking.

 

Gotta say I like the Amtrak timetable as much as I dislike the njt timetable. They did a nice job there.

 

Ambassador: A person who acts as an official representative or promoter of a particular entity or activity.

 

If DTG really had faith in the route, they would give a free access key to one of the most critical forum members and ask them to review it.

Does it make them think differently?
Or, do they remain critical?

That would be an interesting experiment.

 

I will be annoyed if it is the latter. There are some routes where you can work a "shift" but most people don't have time to sit in front of a computer for eight hours, or the inclination, so hopefully it will be fixed.

It would be good if each route had a saved game slot, TSC does, I assume there is a good reason why TSW hasn't.

 

I am still buying Trenton because I really want to use the Acela outside of Boston... but the NJT timetable is disappointing. I really hope they address it. I can live without LIRR and static freight but they should fill in the NJT for sure.

 

I have the answer to every post. and she is simple! What's the use of complaining but continuing to buy poorly finished, low-quality products. they swallowed TSW3 in the first place, so they won't stop as long as they're winning.

 

Joe has made new timetables before, maybe he'll expand this one. Wink wink Joethefish

 

Mark my words, this will be an expansion pack on the timetable in the future. You'll pay for again what should be a proper timetable now

 

You are correct on this. I’m holding out on this one

 

So far i am really enjoying the realistic audio from the Acela, and the NJ Transit Cab car and ALP 46, but there is still one problem, i still cannot hear any track joint noise at all, when the train is on the rail or going through a curve and junction, this was also the case for the other old US Passenger Route. Is it really hard to put in the clickety-clack sound of the train going on the rail? For me, it throws the immersion off completely, because the train is supposed to make sound going over train track, or any junction.
Hopefully, someone would fix this. . But so far the scenery has gotten a lot better for the NY Penn to Trenton, compare to the lack of scenery of the Harlem Line.

 

Did some digging into NewYorkTrenton...

Freight does exist in Scenario Formations, NOT in Timetable,

however, look what IS in timetable formations....


The LIRR formations for timetable are there, just not utilized, i suspect they were initially planned but cut from the timetable later on. (can this be confirmed DTG Matt?)

(freight in scenarios is from CSX and Horseshoe Curve it appears)

 

I hope in the future, they can utilize it in a patch somewhere

 

Seems like most of the work has been done. If it's just a time issue, shouldn't be too hard to patch in....

 

Well looking into the TT, there are slots for the Arrow III.

This does NOT mean an ArrowIII is confirmed, in fact these three formations use the NJT double deck coaches as placeholders it appears. What it does mean is that there's a slot in the timetable formations available for the Arrow III if it were ever to come. (as far as I'm aware, my info might be slightly off there)

If an Arrow III does come (which again, is not confirmed by any means), maybe a timetable update utilizing those LIRR formations can be done.

 

Yes, I believe Matt has already confirmed once that they did plan on adding LIRR, but didn't have the time.

That's pretty cool. Hopefully it means they will come later on. And if they have future plans with the route, then hopefully they will make the timetable busier as well.

 

I for myself are gonna penalise dtg by buying entire 2023 dlc content for tsw on heavy sale if im still interested by the end of year.

Nothing to add at this point, so cya around christmas...going lazy (running out of time over and over) is a damn low excuse about increasing price and heavy cutting routes from its potential.

Its really not about the money, but at this stage of vision for tsw, my time is spent better somewhere else. Good Bye

 

This " time " excuse irritates me. Would a few extra weeks of dev time have been that much of a problem.

The inclusion of LIRR and some additional NJT would certainly have changed the tenor of this thread and almost certainly increased pre-orders and launch sales.

I've worked in the business world, so I know it's a balancing act, but I think a little more time would have paid off in terms of sales and good will. And, in business, good will is revenue inducing.

 

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So if the route would had included a real time table and the LIRR layer I would had purchased the bundle on steam for PC 53.99 , XBOX X 59.99 and LIRR route on XboX which I don't have and is still a whopping 26.99 on Xbox but I would of purchased it. that would had been 140.97 they would off got. but the money stays put

 

Same. Sure, they saved a bit of development time and cost this way, but how many sales and how much reputation are they losing each release this way?

 

IF the Arrow comes, I definitely want to see DTG really improve the timetable (LIRR and NJT) BEFORE that and WITHOUT me having to pay extra. If there are like 70 services out of nearly 300 now, crank it up to 200 with the existing stock, THEN sell me Arrow with extra layer.

 

Does anyone know if the Amtrak Acela has a tail light because I only see ditch light control in the cab? Where is the tail light control?

 

Who knows maybe we get a new Long Island Route first before the Arrow and Comet Car

 

I wonder if the last-minute delay of Rivet's route on Playstation forced their hand a little- maybe they thought it would be too much backlash if there were two consecutive delays?

Or, for whatever business reasons, this HAD to launch in February- a week's delay may not have been enough time to finish it up, so out the door it went.

From a consumer's point of view it doesn't make much difference since the end result is an undercooked release no matter what.

 

In the screenshots of the timetable in this thread for the ALP services there is a 3.5 hour period from around 10am where there are no services for the loco at all and all the services in this period are for the cab car only. It seems a bit odd to me that the cab car has so many more services than the loco and I’m sure from feedback on previous routes that players prefer driving locos than cab cars so if there was to be an unbalanced timetable in favour of one or the other then the loco should have more. I would have thought it would be evenly distributed myself, or am I missing something?