Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

So on the morning rush between 3am and 8am you have 15 trains that go from Trenton to Penn station but on the afternoon rush hour from 15:00 to 20:00 you only have 5 trains services that go from Penn station to Trenton. Just a horrible timetable. Is like they just slapped it together. I know this route has no hopes of getting a new timetable and if they fail with the two biggest North American commuter routes (NYT,LIRR) what hopes do we have for future US passenger service????

 

They could create a scenic route with few services. But idk if they would create that since the route length would be long. For busier routes, idk.

 

I wouldn’t say no hope, definitely not soon (for the better - a timetable for this kind of route needs a lot of time put into it) but in the future. IIRC Matt was talking about looking into a timetable update somewhere a few weeks ago.

I honestly think they should start moving away from the northeast. With the tight deadlines set for DLCs recently, I don’t think another NEC route is a good idea for the foreseeable future, and a lot more interesting stuff exists elsewhere (USA Passenger wise, like Altamont Corridor Express for example, they actually want to be in the game)

With that said, personally I don’t feel like buying anymore products for TSW anyways until their DLCs become the quality they used to be just a couple years ago. Sticking to my already owned content and TS1 third party content for now

 

NYT is a major disappointment, absolutely. The best thing to do would have been not to buy it. However, I suspect enough people did buy it that we will get a further regurgitation of NYC-centric routes. Look for the Hudson or New Haven Line, or something LIRR. Or, they may decide to finally "fix" the NYT timetable by selling you NJT routes and add-ons that can "layer in." I wouldn't expect much from other parts of the USA due to licensing that DTG apparently doesn't have.

To be clear, I am not explicitly saying that this is such a bad thing, either. I would be interested in a new MNRR route. LIRR probably less so, because DTG would likely insist on reusing the subpar assets from their previous DLC. I also am not categorically opposed to Amtrak routes where the commuter license doesn't exist, such as for instance Pacific Surfliner with Amtrak and freight filler only. In fact, DTG could probably make a nice Amtrak route if they weren't so flummoxed by the signalling requirements. NYT was probably the most difficult route that DTG could make as far as US passenger goes. So, I wouldn't say that there is no hope. Perhaps DTG even learned something about player expectations from the NYT reaction? Ha ha no

 

All good points. Is good to have these conversations and hope something good comes out for all future DLC but especially US content.

 

What are the chances we hear some good news about NYT and maybe some new content for US route? It seems lately and for all future content is UK and German related.

 

Honestly I want the brakes to be put on any new content till the existing stuff gets fixed and released.

As well as the dial turned back and DTG to think on where to go with US content.

 

Trenton, acela and up heritage pack and the bnsf sd70 released quite recently. Probably in the next roadmap or maybe June or summer release. Most of the uk content and German content was due to it being made by 3rd parties, not only dtg.

 

Maybe one of them will even have the NY skyline.....

 

I have a feeling something is in the pipeline as the April roadmap is devoid of any US content (both first and third party)

 

I wonder what US content we may get next. Maybe New Haven Line or fixes for New York to Trenton. I vaguely recall in one of the streams from 2022, mention of a possible Pacific Surfliner route

 

Unfortunately If previous history holds,a freight route should be the next US route

 

Given the recent US freight DLC's released and ideas that DTG has recently released. (Underwhelming Cajon Pass, Out of Era ATSF F7, horribly rushed UP Heritage Pack, lazy BNSF SD70ACe) I'm not looking forward to a new US freight route.

 

I would welcome a freight route actually, perhaps a Norfolk Southern coal route rather than a Western run.
I would be nervous about a passenger route and I would not want another segment of the NEC quite frankly.

 

Oh we're discussing potential future US routes? Personally, my most wanted route for TSW has to be New York - Trenton.

I mean, imagine that! We could get such a busy route with all those NJ Transit services that run on the line, all those trains on not only the NEC line, but also the NJCL, and perhaps fictionalize some AI to do some of the other lines. The ALP-46 looks a lot like the ALP-45DP anyways. Also, we could have a bunch of LIRR trains running at NY Penn, so the busiest station in the country can finally get all of its services fully represented! And of course a freight layer to fill up all of those yards and sidings on the route...

And imagine how much they could improve on the old NEC: New York! Building the section to modern standards where they fix things such as properly adding overhead wires wherever needed in Sunnyside Yard, and especially if they fixed the trains clipping through platforms at Penn Station! Perhaps it could have a proper improvement on the signaling too, and no issues with the safety systems on the trains and all.

Ah, but I'm just dreaming. It would be incredibly cool if we had a route like that in game...

 

I believe it is.
I hope it's gonna be CSX since CSX was the first US Class 1 RR presented in TSW and it's been about 5-6 years since TSW: CSX HH released and wouldn't it be nice of we get another DLC presenting CSX territory.

 

I will be happy if DTG will remaster their first route - Sand Patch Grade. He deserves more love. New lighting, environments, new schedules, additional rolling stock, and new vegetation could make a big difference. It can become one of the best and spectacular routes. I really hope this happens.

 

It's already the best freight route.

 

Despite the only 3rd party that did US routes is Skyhook so far, and between both their Cane Creek and Horseshoe Curve there were, at best, decent but not that much great compare to other routes from DTG.

As for the next route in DTG's US cycle. There's no denying that, after Cajon and Trenton, I'm not that hopeful for the next US freight route at all (not after Peak Forest). Not only for the locos of what we already have to be reused, again, but also the scenery and timetable being subpar due to the lack of know how the route actually looks and works irl.

Edit: And after looking the roadmap today, glad there's no mention to the next US route yet (But that might change for next month).

 

Our prayers were finally heard.



Extracted from this month's roadmap: https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...cles/article/train-sim-world-roadmap-may-2023

 

Yes!!!! I knew once Joe gave a thumbs up to my pat earlier I knew we had some good news …. Finally

• New [TSW3] NEC: New York – Trenton timetable improvements

 

Joethefish Still no LIRR?

 

Lesson learned: If we want route improvements all we need is a 34 page forum post on each and it will get done (eventually)

 

Squeaky wheel always gets the grease!l

 

Nice to see NY-Trenton timetable on the roadmap, I really hope they include static freight and LIRR layers down the road too.

What really caught my eye on the roadmap though was this little bit

Really hope they will actually follow through with this and releases going forward have all the standardized features that are supposed to be there.

Would love to see the NS Coal District route from TS1 make a return in TSW, it also includes street running

 

I think I’m going to be ecstatic with the results. A full 2019 electric timetable is going to bring this route to life.

I had faith that dtg would address this. I’m happy that faith was rewarded. I’m happier that you’re on the case.

 

Now that I know Joe is working the NYT timetable I know we are going to get a great NYT timetable . Harlem line in my opinion curretly has the best US timetable which he put together. Today is a good day and it looks like our feedback and frustration paid off. Great job to all that gave feedbacks and spoke up.

 

Thank you Joe, your work is highly appreciated.

Just as a consideration for the timetable, if a LIRR layer isn’t possible (due to memory usage concerns and/or dispatcher issues due to all the trains, etc) maybe some static LIRR trains parked at New York Penn could be done instead?

Of course I’d prefer a working LIRR layer, but static trains would be much better than nothing on that front.


Thanks again

 

I'm so shocked, I genuinely didn't think this would happen, but I love being proven wrong. Thank you to everyone here who not only started the threads but also kept them going for months, this wouldn't have happened without you. Today is a day to celebrate.

I know many are sad about no LIRR, but this is going to make the route come alive, so I personally am ok with sacrificing LIRR to have a full timetable that changes the feeling of the entire route over services that only really impact NYP.

 

I’d still love to see at the very least some freight sitting along the line, it really is a game changer on Boston. But I can’t complain about the fact that we’re finally going to get a good NJT timetable! They really did it, they didn’t abandon us?

Now then, can you please fix the trains clipping through poles and platforms at NY Penn, DTG?

 

Woohoo! Great news. Thanks to DTG for listening to the feedback and working on making the issue right. The route itself is very good and it was a shame that it was let down by a timetable which (frankly) was unfinished. It would be nice if each DLC was perfect on release, but knowing you recognize issues and will work to fix flaws even after release makes me a lot more likely to keep buying DLC (not only did I buy NYT on release but I actually bought it twice, on XSX and PS5).

Also, even thought he route does have flaws outside of the NJT timetable (LIRR, clipping, etc) I am happy that out of the gate you focused on the most glaring one which is the lack of traffic on the main core route (between Penn and Trenton).

 

So looking at possible numbers that we can see and I'm excited.

So looking at the possible numbers of total services one way to Penn station, looking at the current timetable with the above train numbers I have come up with the following:
Montclair line- 21 (AI only) Secaucus junction
morris&essex line-35 (AI only) Secaucus junction

north jersey coat line-35 (Rahway)
nec-67 (Trenton, Jersey city)
total 158 to penn station. I didn't include any AI to hoboken

 

so I guess when all is said and done we are likely doubling the total amount of services for the route?

 

This route has now gone from not even in a sale to a definite purchase, I might even get it over the weekend in readiness.

 

Obviously a great outcome. Perhaps that doesn't need to be explicitly stated, but I do feel that it is important to be positive, as well as critical, where appropriate. It appears that this whole experience might even start to move the game itself in a better direction. I look forward to buying the improved NYT. Thanks DTG.

 

Those who missed the discussion about the new timetable improvements from the livestream, start from 1:05:00.

 

I thought they were saving room for future DLCs: Arrow III, NJCL with ALP-45DP, some freight loco like 3GS-21B, etc. I don't like this simplification and substitution. Yes, congratulations, you found a comment from someone who is unhappy with this solution.

 

This is great news - NY-Trenton was a route that interested me upon first hearing but, like with MML, the initial timetable was a major let down so I didn't think it was worth it. However, with a revamped, busy timetable I might finally get NY-Trenton - along with the Acela as I'm a fan of Boston too.

Overall, I'm happy the timetable for NY-Trenton (and MML) are to be revamped, though I still think it's highly frustrating that it took a lot of community feedback to push for such busy timetables - which should be a standard feature, especially when DTG have routes like London Commuter or Dresden etc.

 

Space is left for the arrow 3 since those services were not included. Same with any diesel services. Njt doesn't have a lot of locomotives to work with. It's around 30 alp46s and 46as. It's either you have an empty timetable which people got extremely angry about or you have a busier timetable which is what the route was advertised as being the busiest part of the nec. Dtg can't please everyone unfortunately. Currently there is no option to choose what layers are available, but when you got a majority of players complaining about a lackluster timetable, dtg can't just sweep it under a rug.

 

I’d say closer to triple

 

Because there is no trains to fill this timetable. This is the fault of DTG, not the timetable itself.
I'd rather wait for the expansions to come out. Arrow III and Comet railcars will give us many realistic services. ALP-46 with double-deck barn not the best replacement for them. It's unrealistic.

 

Here are the numbers from Penn station
Montclair line-22(AI only) Secaucus Junction
Morris&Essex-41(AI only) Secaucus Junction
North jersey coast line-34(Rahway)
NEC-64 Trenton, Jersey city
Total 161 from Penn station
Total 319 NJT services. These don’t include the deadheads or yard moves. A rough estimate but if Joe gets to add some freight static, freight AI, and the LIRR, this would make this route epic. I can’t wait and it gives hope to hopefully get a future New Haven line with the M8

 

Always thought it was a very good representation of the route ,only services were poor,with the updates will make it complete as is possible with all current rolling stock,well done DTG!

 

That may change my opinion of this route.
For me TSW was always about busy timetables, railfaning at full of trains stations or driving around with trains going evrywhere.
Will wait for the result.

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/ts19-réseau-renaissance.14205/
Forget those.

 

Huge thumbs up to DTG for making this happen. I'm not as train/route knowledgeable as most here, so I don't know any other way to explain this except that NYT is currently missing its soul. Compared to other great TSW routes, it just feels stiff and lifeless. I'd be overjoyed to see anything that would make me want to play it again.

 

Joethefish I have a question about services from the Morris &Essex line and Montclair-Boonton line. Are the services that stop at secaucus junction going to now be player playable services? or Just continue to be AI only? I know currently those limited services that we do have are not. This would be great since they would be short like the ones on London commuter like the London bridge services.

 

Very excited for NJT timetable updates.

I won't get my hopes up because I don't know what the performance hit would be like, but I really hope we're able to get some static and moving AI freight in there as well, like there is for Harlem. I'd love to one day have another US route with passenger and freight (like Peninsula Corridor)

 

As someone who regularly commutes on the route to work, takes photos of it and whatnot, I think I am more equipped to speak about it than most here.

I believe Seacaucus Junction lower level is if not available to travel down to, at least visible in the game and kudos to the developers for that, but the problem is that you need the proper equipment there even if it's static. They are completely different routes than the upper level.

I saw Princeton Junction mentioned and you MUST put that in. It's only 2 miles long, a unique branch line that you could several things with and runs a Dinky. You could have 1 or 2 car trains and the only equipment used is Arrows, which you could then layer into Secaucus Junction lower level.

When you get out of the tunnel to go to Seacaucus Junction, there are tracks visible that run under the NJT service. Those are CSX tracks and again, at the very least, static trains would be nice.

If the line is to be extended perhaps DTG could try to acquire the SEPTA license. Not only would you be able to run service there as SEPTA starts at Trenton, but you could run Amtrak to 30th Street station, solving a problem mentioned in the screenshot above.

This is a minor detail, but at least twice I have ridden Arrows on this route so maybe throwing them on the line would be a good idea.

There is more but I don't want to overload Joethefish with too much to do as I am sure he is busy with other aspects of the game.