Dovetail Games Frankfurt S-bahn: Preview Q & A Thread

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  1. dtg_jan

    dtg_jan Community Manager Staff Member

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    Hello folks,

    tomorrow, May 13th at 6 pm UTC, we will preview the upcoming Frankfurt S-Bahn route, which releases on May 20th.



    If you have any questions, please post them here. We will gather your questions beforehand, but please understand that we might not be able to answer all of them.

    To make things run smoothly, please use this for questions only, discussions are best held in the dedicated discussion thread.

    After the preview stream, I will timestamp the VOD on YouTube, post a summary of the questions and answers and close the thread, as it will have served its purpose by then.

    Looking forward to seeing you in chat!

    All the best,
    Jan
     
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  2. colinL

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    Why is the BR143 used for some regional services instead if the BR114 we got with FTF? Isn‘t the 114 the one that is usually located around Frankfurt?
     
  3. OldVern

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    Why do another route based on Frankfurt when it was known this area caused massive performance issues when it appeared on the Fulda route last year? This if anything will be compounded by introducing a massive number of urban services which your sagging code is going to struggle with.

    As you have cut down the number of services on the PS5 version, what chance do those of us with older hardware PC’s have of getting satisfactory results from this DLC?

    Can you run through how this route fulfilled your LAMPOIL requirements. In particular what makes this route a must have when set against the other urban German routes we already have in game?

    Will there be a pre release purchase discount?

    Why do you continue to release expensive DLC after DLC but make no headway in sorting out the massive performance and optimisation issues TSW5 has (even HRR is now stuttering and sound squelching)?
     
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    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Why have consoles got a reduced timetable and no freight. I thought cause it was gen9 only we would get everything so seeing as you cut 40% off the timetable will consoles get it s couple of quid cheaper i think not.
     
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    Does the Br 430 use new sound recordings and not reused ones from the 422 or 423? Is the modell also completely new or were things from the 422 reused?

    If new recordings have been made then why didnt they record the IGBT inverter sounds for the 423 too as those are more present in the RMV network? Especially now that its getting an upgrade it would be the best opportunity.
     
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    Would it be possible to show a comparison of the shortened and full timetable?
     
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    Can other Locomotives be used as substitutes for the BR 143? For example, the BR 114 or BR 146
     
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    Where is the incentive for Console players to purchase this DLC if they are having a reduced timetable?
     
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    Can we have a comparison preview between reduced and full timetable?
     
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    The Wiesbaden to Aschaffenburg services used to be 143+Dosto. These run as far as Mainz-Bischofsheim, and circumvent Frankfurt to the south. The East bank Rhine services (same route as S1, but faster) used to be 143+ n-Wagen, but not sure if they will be in this.
     
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    Will S2 services be available to/from Frankfurt-Farbwerke and S7 services to/from Stadion as apart of the TT either reduced or Full?

    Will Frankfurt - Fulda recieve an updated TT to match/coincide that of the new Frankfurt S-bahn
     
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    Will the lighting in the Frankfurt main station's S-Bahn station be amended? From the screenshots/first look video it seems a bit too dark after having seen it in a cab ride, or is that right?

    Why hasn't the line been extended to atleast Offenbach east? Tunnel light baking might be one of the major reasons, but it would've offered a bit more gameplay and a chilling vibe driving through that dark but lightly lit tunnel section, instead of just entering/exiting the main station.

    Do the door buttons in the cab of the 423 click again when blinking, or will it be inaccurately silent like on the Frankfurt-Fulda 423?

    Does the cab fan noise randomly go away in the 423 like in the Frankfurt-Fulda 423? Which only comes back when opening and closing the MCB. I seriously hope not.
     
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    Could DTG please provide the extended timetable via update for consoles as well? I've been looking forward to the route since March and am now extremely disappointed that the timetable has been almost halved, with no ICE 1 or 3 trains. I've never had any problems with my PS5, not even around Frankfurt, and since TSW 5, there's been the option to activate and deactivate the layers myself if problems do arise. So why a reduced timetable? Please make the extended timetable available for consoles as well, otherwise I won't buy the eagerly awaited route.
     
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    I just wonder if purchasing this route..., the DB BR 430 will have some services, on any of the previous German routes, already available?
    Being able to drive it there, or as AI trains at least?
     
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    With the track to Hanau having already been fully laid in Kinzigtalbahn, how come you chose to do part of the S1 instead of the underground section for the S8 and S9? I assume that light baking is partly the issue but are there other factors that make underground areas more complex than above ground?

    Also, has performance around Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof been improved since Kinzigtalbahn? Even when running in free roam with no other trains, the performance dips significantly.
     
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  17. Allan

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    What is the reason that ps5 players will only have limited timetable, less ai trains and no freight? It’s a power machine and console players are a big part of TSW players. Can you afford risking console players abandon the game?
     
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    What were the underlying reasons for consoles not being able to cope with the full timetable? I am guessing the main factor is the ICE traffic through the Fernbahnhof or is Frankfurt Main station also a factor?

    Was this a reason why the Fernbahnhof wasn't originally going to be part of the route? Was the PC/Console timetable split decision made soon after this?

    This last question is probably a rehash of my first but will ask anyway. There have been TSW routes with >1000 playable services in the past that could run well on Gen 9 consoles. What are the unique factors about this route or the state of the core game that make this not possible?
     
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    Why hasn't the line been extended to Hanau Hauptbahnhof for S8 and S9 services? Or at least to Offenbach Ostbahnof?
     
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    Why choose yet another route in the Frankfurt area? Considering how consoles and the core performed with Frankfurt-Fulda before, plus there's so much more different parts of Germany which are much more interesting.
     
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    Are we to assume that the reduced timetable only on console is a temporary measure, with the full timetable and layers added when whatever the issues holding it back are resolved? If so, is there an outline timeframe when you think will happen?
     
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    Is there anyway to know how many services are going to be on PC Vs Console?
     
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    DB BR 423s arrival/ departure sound is different on the Frankfurt s bahn, even in real life

    So the departure/ arrival sounds for the DB BR 423 in the Frankfurt s bahn trailer was incorrect

    And also why isn't it also gen 8 exclusive.
     
  24. dtg_jan

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    Good morning folks,

    Thank you for joining us last night. I will close this thread now and add a list of questions and answers at a later point, as well as a link to the timestamped VOD for the stream. Please use the official discussion thread to continue discussing the Frankfurt S-Bahn Add-On.

    All the best,
    Jan
     
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    Good afternoon folks,

    as promised, here is the timestamped VOD of our preview stream:


    To answer the questions from this thread:

    Why are consoles not getting the full timetable?
    Answer: Matt has already talked about this at length, you can read his comments here, here and here, as well as his other comments in the same thread explaining the situation in great detail.
    But to concisely answer it here, Frankfurt S-Bahn is by far the most complex route we have ever made, pushing consoles beyond the limits of their capability. The sheer amount of signals, OHLE and consists is too much to handle for the comparatively limited power of a console. We tried to find solutions for this until the very last minute, but were unfortunately unsuccessful.

    Why is the BR143 used for regional services instead of the BR114 we got with FTF? Isn‘t the 114 the one that is usually located around Frankfurt?
    Answer: The DB BR 143 is accurate for the time the route is set in.

    Will there be a pre-release purchase discount?
    Answer: No

    Does the Br 430 use new sound recordings and not reused ones from the 422 or 423?
    Answer: The sounds for the DB BR 430 are new and have been recorded by Lukas on a DB BR 430.

    Is the model also completely new, or were things from the 422 reused?
    Answer: It's a new model.

    Can other Locomotives be used as substitutes for the BR 143? For example, the BR 114 or BR 146
    Answer: No, substitution has been turned off to improve performance.

    Will S2 services be available to/from Frankfurt-Farbwerke and S7 services to/from Stadion as apart of the TT either reduced or Full?
    Answer: Yes

    Will Frankfurt - Fulda recieve an updated TT to match/coincide that of the new Frankfurt S-bahn
    Answer: Not planned at the moment.

    Will the lighting in the Frankfurt main station's S-Bahn station be amended? From the screenshots/first look video it seems a bit too dark after having seen it in a cab ride, or is that right?
    Answer: It is how we expect it to be; the station is very dark in reality.

    Why hasn't the line been extended to Offenbach east? / Why hasn't the line been extended to Hanau Hauptbahnhof for S8 and S9 services?
    Answer: Frankfurt S-Bahn was already one of the largest projects, extending it further would've taken up limited development time. Underground sections especially take much longer to create than overground stations. Additionally, making the route longer would've made it even more resource-heavy on console and PC than it already is.

    Do the door buttons in the cab of the 423 click again when blinking, or will it be inaccurately silent like on the Frankfurt-Fulda 423?
    Answer: This has been fixed

    Does the cab fan noise randomly go away in the 423 like in the Frankfurt-Fulda 423?
    Answer: This is not an issue we are aware of. If you have noticed this, please ensure you submit a support ticket with footage of the incident.

    Will the DB BR 430 have services on existing routes?
    Answer: No

    With the track to Hanau having already been fully laid in Kinzigtalbahn, how come you chose to do part of the S1 instead of the underground section for the S8 and S9?
    Answer: The network is much more interesting to drive

    Has performance around Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof been improved since Kinzigtalbahn?
    Answer: Performance has improved over the last few updates, but we are still working on it.

    Was this a reason why the Fernbahnhof wasn't originally going to be part of the route?
    Answer: In our initial planning, the Fernbahnhof was not within the project's scope. However, in response to the community's strong interest, we reassessed our approach and made adjustments to ensure it would be incorporated into the Add-On.
     
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