I'm currently in the middle of this service. I went past a green signal (with no other indications) and for some reason had to acknowledge a PZB 1000Hz. I'll report in the feedback thread. Otherwise, it's been a very pleasant run in an autumnal morning.
That was possibly one of the best runs in the history of TSW. Spoiler: spoiler When I was exiting the 2nd LZB section, near Hanau, I was brought to a stop at the red light near the end of the LZB section. When the signal turned green, LZB beeped, beeped again, then went into Störung and told me 'Freitaste betätigen' to release from LZB into PZB, with active 500Hz magnet. I have never seen that interaction before and it was so cool. It is a bit unfortunate that AI does not (seem to) use GNT, so you will almost never be able to fully enjoy the higher speed limits as there is almost always an AI service ahead of you. Yeah I had the same thing happen to me. Seems like a bug that wasn't there before the recent patch. I also almost fell victim to the extremely short signal section, where the Vorsignal is only like 300 meters ahead of the Hauptsignal that was showing Hp0. If I hadn't had my HUD open on this run I would have SPADed there.
I've tried ICE 1652 and while it's not a bad run, it just feels like what I would expect as a standard run downtown in peak hours. Some traffic, I was held for a minute at Wolfgang, but otherwise for me nothing happened that would make it exceptional.
I had already run it and vaguely recall having the same experience. Edit: Doh! It has either changed or I did not remember it correctly, but is an awesome run! See post below.
RE50 (4540) 15:48 Frankfurt-Bebra with DBpbzfa 766. Spoiler A very nice parallel departure with an ICE leaving Frankfurt Hbf. Some PZB and possible SPAD action with an RB overtaking you whereas you overtake an ICE. And a PZB Befehl(!) which is very seldom... Then a very long wait at Schlüchtern with many ICEs and ICs passing by. If you're not sick of Dosto cab cars already I can highly recommend the ride.
I am totally wrong about this run! Either I completely forgot it or it has changed since I did it last; both of these are possible. This was excellent! GOAT material for me. Haribo112's spoiler section played out exactly as specified. I had no issues with the signalling; it all seemed appropriate though many required quick responses. It had to have changed since I ran it last. I can't believe I would run something that awesome and not immediately post it here.
It has been busy since the TSW5 release! The TSW 3-5 spreadsheet has now surged to over 260 runs. This update also includes Noir's Matching Services sheet. I have personally run everything recommended on FFA, but nothing else since TSW5. So, please let me know of any errors or omissions. Also, if there is a description that needs improving, please post a suggestion. noir has complied a list of Matching Services between FTF and KWG (and BRO): https://forums.dovetailgames.com/posts/904330/ Google Published Documents: TSW3-5 Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...4lUuBrw-k2_y7FxuzH6mZ1m3Qu4YTfLViTfxQ/pubhtml TSW1-2 Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet..._wzt7qTCooxSTBW8pGAwYLs_ohsdDOcQOuZ4A/pubhtml Chaos Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...yCTbHVZrwBSBUUkPiiJGlTWfRXexfPn7kBVDw/pubhtml Excel Spreadsheets: TSW3-5 Recommended Service Runs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ouid=108028767534258522758&rtpof=true&sd=true TSW1-2 Recommended Service Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YgilvnKZFc7TJXyqftRJ0I5yTMlMf81/view?usp=sharing Chaos Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cMKrwNA2OmZz8tVEQo1_FZnRZXpNT463/view?usp=sharing Edit: Forgot the FFA RE50 run posted by Becks_23 above - now done!
FFA Requirements: Br 642, ICE 1 & 3 RE85: Erbach - Frankfurt (6:48) Br 642 Spoiler: Lots of traffic You get held up at the start waiting for an ICE and Dosto service, you wait for a Dosto service to overtake you at Offenbach, passing freight and opportunities for parallel running with some 423s around Frankfurt Süd and on approach to Frankfurt Main you slow for a 401 and also pass a 403 just after
I also have submitted this one before with the same experience as the spoiler. So nothing really has changed, but i've noticed that being early or late can have an immense influence already on those runs. You advised me to rerun FLX 1818, the first time i did i did 2 stupid zwangsbremsungs at the start and all fun stuff was gone. So i re-ran it decently and then i had the GOAT experience
Very nice run with a train i dont like much :p I managed to spad because of the sun being directly into the red light
WCML is so busy and there are so many passing trains. i just drove class 377 service to wembley central and took this awesome picture (i have charlies WCML timetable fix and missing 350 LNWR brand mod fix plus itsya sound mod for 350)
A new reccommendation for Midland Main Line (I know this has been said before, but the updates have turned this into such a fantastic route): HST EMT 2+6 1D51, London St Pancras to Sheffield at 17.04. You need Cargo Line Aggregates Vol 1/2 for this. A clear run as far as East Midlands Parkway, but then you get checked down at speed to allow a petroleum cargo train to join ahead of you(!) which you follow into Derby. If you're not cautious you'll find yourself sailing through a red. Bit of a dispatcher/signaller error, but it's not like they don't happen in real life too, so...
Also, not sure if this has been noted yet but the new map in TSW5 makes it much easier to find these services. I came across 1D51 because I was driving another of the reccommended runs; saw a HST running slowly behind a 66 with a petro rake, open the map and there's the service number. Ideal!
FLX 1244 on FFA with the Vectron at 17:11 is a very interesting run and it may not last long in this iteration. You catch up to a regional, but what makes it unique is ... Spoiler: Spoiler ... that you get to keep LZB all the way until Km Post 53.6, shortly before you pass the regional. You may get a touch of PZB action from a portal ICE later, but it is otherwise routine into Fulda. Do remember that PZB is always running underneath LZB and you need to acknowledge 1000 hz magnets when they come up as you get close to the end of LZB. The run just behind it, ICE 276 with the ICE 401 at 17:11 is also interesting, but more straightforward as you deal with the delayed Flixtrain ahead of you. You pull into Fulda right beside it and then watch it leave while you are unloading. I am loving FFA!
To clarify: you only need to use the PZB Wachsam button while under LZB after the LZB Ende light has come on and has been acknowledged by the driver.
When did you run this? In September it's not been brilliant - a single check basically. 1D52 OTOH I do think has potential for amazingness - but unfortunately there's a significant bug - however reported so hopefully they're gonna sort it.
Sorry, I should have noted it, but it was either August or the actual day which I ran it (which would have been October 2nd). For what it's worth, given the fact that most of the service runs in this game are greens from end to end, a single check on a high speed run qualifies for the list, imo. That's certainly the criterion by which many other services have been included. I basically treat this list as a resource of services which contain potential checks. With that said, I think 1D51 is more than just that. The signal check you do have is a tricky one because you see double yellows at East Mids, which is quite common but usually clears by the time you're through. Since you're preoccupied with braking already for the 70mph limit down from 125, it's easy to miss that you need to be controlling you speed for a potential stop soon after the 70mph limit. Then, after the check, you're following a 66 consist which has a max speed of 60 (and takes ages to get there)--so if you don't drive defensively, you'll definitely see another red.
I find this run quite brilliant... I stopped at the red in the mist, saw the petrol train passing by at 10mph then running yellows for a whole part towards Derby. and eventually when you run into the station you are catching up with that petrol train again also RHTT at the start somewhere
Nothing like that happened for me at all - I wasn't checked at East Mids at all. I was referring to a single double yellow subsequently. I'll give it another go with August and see what happens. Totally agree that checks are what makes a fun service, 90% of the time! Especially following something for miles...
Ok, I've just started 1D51 again and I clearly wasn't playing 1D51 the last time as whatever I was had a few stops in it while this is direct Derby! Might have been 1D54? Bascule the Rascule therefore I'm assuming there'll be good things on this run and I think we can put my previous "objection" down to user error... - thanks for the tip
What did you change ? Only the date? that's quite useful info here Also can have something to do with the new tsw5, content on a certain platform delayed or something
What I'm pretty sure I changed, in hindsight, was running the correct service! I think I accidentally ran 1D54 last time. Have just run 1D51 in August and it was very much as promised
Seasonal services were introduced with SEHS and I think they make a great addition to the game and add a wonderful layer of timetable complexity. With SEHS, they were spelled out in the route introduction and have been subsequently added to with DLC such at RHTT. However, with other routes, they haven't been laid out in detail and it can be tedious to find out when to expect the seasonal services to run as AI. Here is what I know about the seasonal schedules on various routes: SEHS: RHTT: September, October, November. Class 37 ROG: January, February, March Class 33 rail tour: March, April, May TGV: March, April. 465: summer services June, July, August Steam Railtour: July- December BPO: 8f Railtour: January, February, and March Preston Docker Class 20 Railtour: April and May Summer Season Services: June, July, August, and September Blackpool Illumination Specials: October, November, and December ECML Scotsman Railtours 1Z22 May and June 1Z87 Jan and Feb 1Z20 May and Jun FFA 103 Railtour is player only and does not appear as AI. As far as I know, this list is accurate. It would be nice to have a comprehensive list of seasonal services in TSW. Is there one available somewhere? Would it be feasible for DTG to publish it?
Few things: The steam railtour also appears in June, and there's also ROG services in March and April. As well as another Class 33 Railtour in January and February. There's also 3 Class 47 seasonal services. One appears September and October with what I presume is a failed ROG 37. The other is a railtour which appears May, June, July, August. A Class 66 service also only appears September, October, November as a RHTT delivery (counting it separate from the actual RHTT services.
If you scroll through the layer selector in TSW 5 it sometimes lists the month for seasonal services.
SEHS. The gift that keeps on giving. 1F28 in the Javelin is a pretty routine run, plenty of AI once you get to Rochester. Spoiler Wait until you reach Sittingbourne, a previously undiscovered surprise in the form of a steam railtour awaits. I ran this service in October, so unsure if it appears in different months
Thanks! So this would be the updated list: SEHS: RHTT: Sept - Nov Class 66 RHTT Delivery: Sept - Nov Class 37 ROG: Jan - Apr Class 33 rail tour: Jan-May Class 47 rail tour: May - Aug, Failed ROG service: Sept - Oct TGV: March, April. 465: summer services Jun - Aug Steam Railtour: Jun - Dec
About right, yeah. I made sure to write them down on a spreadsheet so I could keep track without having to remember, as far as I'm aware that's it. The one thing to remember about the ROG 37 and Class 33 though: ROG services 5X47, 5X49, 5Q58 @ 11:22 and 5Q57 @ 15:44 as well as Class 33 Medway Valley Crompton services appear Jan - Feb. All other ROG services are Mar - April and the Kentish Crompton Class 33 railtour appears Mar - May. Is there not a guide of seasonal services somewhere? I know we have one for layers (I think?), but would be handy to have one for these services as well, could have saved me a painful few days working it all out.
So took the plunge this weekend and upgraded to PS5 - very much worth it for a much better gameplay experience. Had a go with noir's suggestions of route hopping services. Would highly recommended ICE371 starting at Kassel at 13.12. Spoiler On the Kassel to Fulda leg it's pretty straightforward. There is one red 1.4km from Fulda as you arrive quite early, but if you have LZB + AFB on this is no trouble. After that the real fun begins. At Fulda you arrive at Platform 4. If you want switch routes using route hopping you have to run to the portal on Platform 6 then once you are spawned on FFA you need to run back to Platform 4 and take over the train again before the AI drives it away from you. Just after leaving Fulda the AI dispatcher inexplicably lets a freight go ahead of you. Once you leave LZB you then have heavy PZB action getting behind other regional services until you get back onto the high speed LZB section to Hanau that basically makes it impossible to stay on time. I made one PZB mistake but even if you get everything right you would be at least 10 minutes late to Hanau. After Hanau it's mostly straightforward until just outside Frankfurt you get another red waiting for another ICE 1 to depart (this is based on being 15 minutes late out of Hanau so this part may vary depending on how you manage the Fulda-Hanau traffic) I've edited the above after retrying the FFA run after my first PS5 crash outside Frankfurt spoiled the fun. It's a matter of taste but I would put ICE371 as a GOAT nominee! It felt very reminiscent of the last time I was on a Eurostar from Amsterdam that got diverted off HSL Zuid onto the conventional lines trying to weave this super long high speed train through signal traffic.
An awesome run where you do one run in one route then hop to another route to do a connected run. The connected ICE runs in KWG and FFA are a good example of this, but there could be other possibilities including just the fun of e.g. Doing two fun runs where you drive from e.g. Milton Keynes to Brighton/Kent or Lancaster to San Bernardino. I think there were some in London Commuter and East Coastway that were fun to do together already listed.
This one is crazy! I had 2 ices trailing me but had to pull over for freight to pass. Give the dispatcher a drug test.
The dispatcher sometimes seems to act like this is a US route where freight has priority which can lead to crazy situations on a busy route like this, but it does up the challenge for us players lol.
As we know the AI traffic on the WCML South is pretty low. However there is one service I drove yesterday which was very good for AI services. I saw plenty of Class 390 and Class 350 services passing me (more than usual) and also the London Overground/Underground services were frequent too. I actually enjoyed it. The service is Class 390, 1H03 London Euston to Manchester Piccadilly leaving at around 06:40 with a stop at Watford Junction.
Turns out a German YouTube user tried this route hop a few weeks ago with pretty much the same results on the FFA leg. See here: definitely a drive that has everything.
Wow! I totally agree with the GOAT designation; my new favorite run on FFA and that is saying something on a route full of great runs. Thanks for posting the video. When I did this as a route hopping exercise, I didn't have the same experience. It was a bit of a scramble to get off the SKW 371 and into the FFA 371, but I was on time. However, I think I crept away from the platform a bit early which spoiled how the run should have gone. Yet another reason why I will never make it with DB. So I just loaded the 371 in FFA, didn't jump the gun, and it ran as advertised. Not only was it a challenging train handling exercise, but the AI was amazing, including some parallel running with a regional on the 3 track section. I run HUDless and had some issues trying to tell when I was under restricted supervision vs just PZB supervision - for example, limited to 80 vs 45. Is there a way to differentiate that in cab? This caused some "unscheduled stops" and I limped into Frankfurt battered, bruised, and totally GOATed! For now, I will just list it on the TSW 3-5 sheet as a run on FFA and note that it can be started on SKW. Once there are a few more route hopping runs, I am happy to start another spreadsheet or have someone else start it. FFA now has 3 GOAT runs - What an amazing route and timetable! noir has complied a list of Matching Services between FTF and KWG (and BRO): https://forums.dovetailgames.com/posts/904330/ Google Published Documents: TSW3-5 Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...4lUuBrw-k2_y7FxuzH6mZ1m3Qu4YTfLViTfxQ/pubhtml TSW1-2 Recommended Service Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet..._wzt7qTCooxSTBW8pGAwYLs_ohsdDOcQOuZ4A/pubhtml Chaos Runs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...yCTbHVZrwBSBUUkPiiJGlTWfRXexfPn7kBVDw/pubhtml Excel Spreadsheets: TSW3-5 Recommended Service Runs https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...ouid=108028767534258522758&rtpof=true&sd=true TSW1-2 Recommended Service Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/14YgilvnKZFc7TJXyqftRJ0I5yTMlMf81/view?usp=sharing Chaos Runs https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cMKrwNA2OmZz8tVEQo1_FZnRZXpNT463/view?usp=sharing
Amazing thanks! I don't know enough about German signalling to do without the HUD aids but I would guess that there should be something visually on the lights for real drivers to tell the difference between limits set on a 1000hz magnet. I know some for some German trains there are two numbers that flash on the PZB display in the cab when you are under 45kmh supervision, but in the ICE you just get a flashing 85 for the 1000hz magnet. But either way it's a great one for testing the full range of driver skills in this train, which is why I liked doing the KWG leg first to get the full experience.
In reality I'd assume that ICE uses the same system as everything else, so you would have 70/85 alternately flashing, or a text saying "v-Überwachung 45 km/h". But the rules are simple enough to remember even without looking at the display - if you slowed down under 10 km/h while under active 1000 Hz monitoring, you are in restricted mode. And you will be restricted to 40 until the 1000 Hz light fades out, then you can free yourself, if the reason for the monitoring is now gone (ie. signal changed to permissive). If you don't have visual confirmation that the reason is gone, simply stay going slow, no reason to speed up.
Thanks for the information! In the 401, there is no text and no alternating 85/70 flash, just an 85 flash - the same as you get with an active 1000 hz magnet. I don't know if that is a bug or prototypical.
This is absolutely lovely service, even for me who tends to drive ICEs as I believe they should - as a premium train where you don't get too wacky G-force changes, which sometimes ruins the other "awesome" runs that rely on reckless driving. No jumpscares for me (at least if you know that one station has insufficient braking distance between signals, thankfully that is marked down in my timetable ), but quite a lot to do along the way. Unfortunately I too had a crash in Offenbach, my first overall in TSW5 (PC). We'll see if it survives the next patch, where I assume the Wirtheim stopping point problem may get fixed, which will probably change a lot of the runs.
A bit of a weird one for WCML; this may or may not count as awesome, depending on how annoyed you get by simulation inaccuracies: 390/1 AWC, 1R16, Manchester Picc to Euston at 8:08. Don't open the doors at Milton Keynes, just go. You're following 1R15, another 390, into Euston. The AI services don't make use of the EPS, so you are faster, and have half an hour of adverse signals & defensive driving at high speed. You have to wait for a platform at EUS. I wonder if the fact that AI doesn't use EPS is why the the timings for the 390 runs are overly generous?
1R16 doesn't stop at MKC irl (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C31723/2024-10-16/detailed) That could explain why the doors don't need to be opened - but unsure why it is playable.
Nice run to try on WCML in the 'Wembley Madness' chapter in Journey Mode - 2K07 London Euston-Milton Keynes at 7:07 (departs 7:09) This is an all stations LNWR service so a good way to tour all the stations in one train. I originally ran it on my PS4 Pro and thought it had a decent amount of AI considering only two trains available for Gen8 players. Now I have PS5 it's further enhanced by having good views of passes by all the trains if you play on PC/Gen9 including a decent amount of Class 66 freight and some 8 car 350s. In terms of driving it's pretty straightforward except... Spoiler If you are on time, depending on how fast you approach Milton Keynes you will encounter a red just outside the station. I tried to follow TPWS rules closely so it turned single yellow just as I slowed to 20mph There's a good opportunity for a nice screenshot at the end of your train plus two 390s at Milton Keynes at the same time.
possible GOAT: With the new BR 101 Expert timetable on Bremen-Oldenburg: IC 1934 from Leipzig-Oldenburg at 20:11. Spoiler First of all a night ride in October with a double traction Expert 101. You have to wait at Bremen for the RE to leave in front of you which means you're delayed from the start. Attention there's a red light at Bremen right in front of you which you can't see from your window. Stuck behind the RE you'll get "Halt erwarten" (Yellow) and HP0s (Red) all the time. Truly a perfect ride to learn the PZB. With a PZB error also occuring I managed a delay of 17 (!) minutes in the end...
I must be missing something, i tried in october and june, but the light in front of me at the start turns green after a few seconds?
