Berlin S-bahn: S9 & S3 (also Including Re And Rb Services)

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  1. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    Hi all, this time I'm suggesting something slightly out of my comfort zone, but popularly requested: The Berlin S-bahn. I chose the S9 and S3 lines to be the center of this, as they cut straight through Berlin, offering views on famous locations, pictures of which will be at the end of this post.
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    Contents
    • The Route
      • General description
      • Cab views
      • Services
    • Rolling Stock
      • What comes with the route?
        • Baureihe 483/484
        • Baureihe 481/482
        • Baureihe 442 (Talent 2)
      • DLC
        • Baureihe 480
        • FEX?
      • Layers
    • Conclusion
    • Pictures
    • Edits
    The Route

    General description

    The route is made up of the S9 and S3 lines. They run together from Spandau to Warschauer Straße, where they split. S3 diverges towards Erkner, via Ostkreuz. S9 curves south just before Ostkreuz, and continues to the new Berlin Brandenburg Airport (BER). The line contains some well known parts of Berlin, such as the Museuminsel, the still shiny Berlin Hbf, the Janowitzbrücke, and in the distance even the Bundestag, Fernsehturm and Rotes Rathaus. On this route the S-bahn largely runs besides classic railway tracks, on which the RB14 and RE7 run, both of which are operated by Talent 2 EMUs. That is why I chose this route, because it appeals to players that like RE and RB services (like me) too!

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    Cab views
    S9 Flughafen Schönefeld (now BER terminal 5) to Spandau* - by Bimmelbahnpilot
    *Please note the the Cab Ride above was recorded in 2018, before BER was opened, therefore the first part is a bit different now.

    S3 Erkner to Ostbahnhof - by Bimmelbahnpilot

    Services
    Below I've listed the important services on this route. The stops that are on this route proposal are bold. In italic I've listed the last and first stops not on the route, so you know where the line diverges. For S-bahn services I have not listed frequency, as it is Every 10 min. on all lines (every 30 min. during weekends and night). S3 and S9 are listed because they are the important ones that are included entirely. There are more S-bahn services that run partially along the route, but if I were to list them all I'd be busy all day.

    S3
    Spandau – Stresow – Pichelsberg – Olympiastadion – Heerstraße – Messe Süd – Westkreuz – Charlottenburg – Savignyplatz – Zoologischer Garten – Tiergarten – Bellevue – Hauptbahnhof – Friedrichstraße – Hackescher Markt – Alexanderplatz – Jannowitzbrücke – Ostbahnhof – Warschauer Straße – Ostkreuz – Rummelsburg – Betriebsbahnhof Rummelsburg – Karlshorst – Wuhlheide – Köpenick – Hirschgarten – Friedrichshagen – Rahnsdorf – Wilhelmshagen – Erkner
    Rolling Stock: BR 480, BR 481

    S9
    Spandau – Stresow – Pichelsberg – Olympiastadion – Heerstraße – Messe Süd – Westkreuz – Charlottenburg – Savignyplatz – Zoologischer Garten – Tiergarten – Bellevue – Hauptbahnhof – Friedrichstraße – Hackescher Markt – Alexanderplatz – Jannowitzbrücke – Ostbahnhof – Warschauer Straße – Treptower Park – Plänterwald – Baumschulenweg – Schöneweide – Johannisthal – Adlershof – Altglienicke – Grünbergallee – Flughafen BER Terminal 5 (Schönefeld) – Waßmannsdorf – Flughafen BER Terminal 1-2
    Rolling Stock: BR 480, BR 481


    RE7
    (from Wannsee) - Charlottenburg - Zoologischer Garten - Berlin Hbf - Friedrichstraße - Alexanderplatz - Ostbahnhof - Ostkreuz - BER terminal 1-2 - (on to Blankenfelde)
    Every 60 min.
    Rolling Stock: BR 442

    RB14
    (from Albrechtshof) - Spandau - Charlottenburg - Zoologischer Garten - Berlin Hbf - Friedrichstraße - Alexanderplatz - Ostbahnhof - Ostkreuz - BER terminal 1-2
    Every 60 min.
    Rolling Stock: BR 442

    Rolling Stock
    What comes with the route?

    BR 483/484
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    The BR 483/484 is the newest addition to Berlins S-bahn fleet. It can be seen increasingly on S3 and S9. They have been in revenue service since january 1st 2021. They were built by Siemens and Stadler. The 483 is a so called 'quarter train' or 'Viertelzug' in German, consiting of two carriages with cabs on each end. The 484 consits of 4 carriages, it's called a 'half train' or 'Halbzug' in German, it too has cabs at each end. As you can tell from the names, a normal S-bahn train consits of 8 carriages. More info on wikipedia.



    BR 481/482
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    The 481 is the second newest train on the Berlin S-bahn. It can be seen throughout Berlin. They came into being after the German reunification, and the reunification of the S-bahn systems that came paired with that. Unlike the BR 483/484 and BR 480, it only has a full driving cab at one end, meaning the minimum length is 2 coupled sets (with outward facing cabs), and thus 4 carriages. More info on Wikipedia

    BR 442 Talent 2
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    The 442 is already in game, so I'd normally put it under 'layers', but as everyone that owns TSW2 has SKA, and therefore the Talent 2, it makes no difference whether it comes with the route or as a layer. It operates the RE and RB lines on the route, which would give a bit of variation from the S-bahn services, giving faster services that stop less. More info on Wikipedia

    DLC
    BR 480
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    The BR 480 came in to life due to the need for new rolling stock when BVG took over S-bahn services in West-Berlin from the DR in the '80s. It doesn't run this route a lot anymore, but would be good to see for variety. More info on Wikipedia

    FEX?
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    The line doesn't have much room for DLC, but the FEX would be possible. It consists of a few DoStos hauled by a TRAXX 3 (BR 147) locomotive. But this train would only be able to run from Ostkreuz to BER airport on this route, which is a bit short. Adding an extension to Berlin Gesundbrunnen and the lower levels of Berlin Hbf would be a possibility, but DTG has not yet shown interest in making extensions of the kind. Another option would be merging this route with a future Ringbahn route (I have made a suggestion for a way to connect routes). This would allow more room for the FEX and more S-bahn services.

    Layers
    Just as the line has little room for DLC, it has little room for DLC. Of course a lot of trains travel the route, but they only do so for a short distance, and then diverge.

    Conclusion
    The S9 and S3 lines of the Berlin S-bahn would make good additions to the game, they'd offer new 3rd rail commuter services, a first for Germany. Besides that the RE7 and RB14 lines would offer more then just S-bahn services to the route. Please let me know your thoughts below. Also please let me know if you have additional information or if I made a mistake, as stated at the beginning, this is a bit out of my comfort zone as I'm not familiar with the Berlin S-bahn.

    Pictures
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    A 481 and the FEX stand side by side at BER airport.

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    Jannowitzbrücke station.

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    A BR 481 at Berlin Hbf

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    A BR 481 crossing the bridge at the Museuminsel, in the background the Fernsehturm can be seen

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    Same place, slightly different angle. Now the 'Rotes Rathaus' can be seen in the background.


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    A BR 483/484 exiting the tunnel into the BER airport station.

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    Friedrichstraße station.

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    An S3 service to Erkner at Berlin Hbf.

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    A Talent 2 on the RE 7 line at Berlin Hbf.

    Edits:
    13-3-2021: Changed which units come as standard with the route, the BR 483/484 now comes as standard instead of the BR 480, which is an optional DLC.
     
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  2. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Please dtg
     
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  3. drnicktgm#1259

    drnicktgm#1259 Well-Known Member

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    Das ist ein sehr guter Vorschlag, mir ist es sehr wichtig, dass die Br481/482 in TSW irgendwann Mal rein kommt
     
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  4. ZeenozPlays

    ZeenozPlays Well-Known Member

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    I would love to see this route in the game. I, myself actually just recently made a suggestion on these two exact lines. I think this would be great, especially if the Regional Lines are included as well.
     
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  5. Berliner Taucherin

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    Excellent suggestion, I'd like to note that as of recently the DB BR483/484 are in service on the Stadtbahn aswell so they could be a potential DLC or included as modern stock with the route!
     
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  6. jolojonasgames

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    Perhaps they could replace the 480 as the one that comes standard with the route, as the 480 isn't seen very often on this route as far as I know. I'll think about changing that. Thanks for the info!
     
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  7. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Yes the br 480 is not drive at the S3
     
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  8. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Br 481/482 and the br 483/484 drive at the S3
     
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  9. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    I would wish the circle Line S41/S42 too
     
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  10. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    I changed the suggestion, the 483/484 now comes as standard with the 480 being possible DLC! :)
     
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  11. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Ok
     
  12. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    But the br483/484 don't drive on the S9
    He drive at the S47 and S3Express
     
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  13. driverwoods#1787

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    Speaking of the signaling system here does it use the same Sifa PZB LZB as SKA HRR Rapid Transit Leipzig area RSN RSO and Main Spessart Bahn or not? If they do players will be familiar to those. If not then a Tutorial will be needed for the signaling system Berlin S-Bahn.
     
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  14. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    The Berlin S-bahn does not use PZB or LZB, it uses ZBS. There will be a tutorial needed for this. The signals are the same KS-signals we're used to from SKA, though I believe some HL-signals might still be in use.

    The normal network for the RB/RE services uses PZB, as is usual. Though it might be useful for new players to have a tutorial for this too.
     
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  15. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Berlin s bahn has SIFA,ZBS or "Fahrsperre"
    Depends of the line
     
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  16. lukas#1835

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    Screenshot_20210313-212115_Gallery.jpg

    Fahrsperre
     
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  17. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    But ZBS only has the BR 481/482
    Not the BR 480or br485
     
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  18. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    *the br483/484 has ZBS too
     
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  19. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't the lack of ZBS the reason the 480 isn't allowed on the stadtbahn anymore?
     
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  20. tallboy7648

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    There have been many requests for a S-Bahn line so I hope it comes to fruition
     
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  21. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Yes
     
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  22. driverwoods#1787

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    Thank you for telling me about the safety system for Berlin S-Bahn. Looks like they drive differently than BR 442 & 1442 Talent 2 & 430 from HRR due to the ZBS
     
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  23. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    I hope it very
     
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  24. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Yes a little
     
  25. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    I'm a Big S-Bahn Berlin Fan XD
     
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  26. Special EliteYT

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    I want this! This would be orgasmic, I can tell you that much!
     
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  27. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    Oh Yeah
     
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    A recording of the wheels and pickup shoe on the BR 481. Just listen to that sound :)
     
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  29. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    I already know that awsome
     
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    A cool suggestion! I don't know the length, but it would probably benefit from adding a little stretch to Königs Wusterhausen. This wouldn't add whole S-Bahn lines (parts of S46 and S8), but it would help a lot with RE traffic creating quite a bit chunk for the RE-2 line (which used to run with 182s a couple of years ago, now it's a private operator with Stadler Kiss - a possible DLC content). It's a nice 50-minute run end-to-end.
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  31. jolojonasgames

    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    That could be a good addition, both from the start, or as later extension with the Stadler KISS if DTG wants to start doing loco + extension packs.
     
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    The new BR 483 has some glorious sounds too :)
    Skip to 3.00 for a full acceleration.
     
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  33. lukas#1835

    lukas#1835 Active Member

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    S-Bahn Berlin is my dream in TSW2 XD
     
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  34. Special EliteYT

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    This is getting too much attention. DTG can't ignore this.
     
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  35. jolojonasgames

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    As far as I know, DTG does look on the suggestions forums a lot. They know there is a demand for the Berlin S-bahn (and Dutch routes, which I want to see the most). I've tried to offer a possibility for a route, this one being a good option in my opinion because it also has RE and RB services, operated by a loco already in game, and thus appealing to a broader audience for similar moddeling costs. Other players have suggested the ringbahn and other routes, which would also be fun.

    DTG does know about the desire, and I don't doubt that a Berlin S-bahn route will come eventually. I'm curious to see which, but I am of course rooting for this one. We might see it (amd Dutch routes) on the the roadmap tomorrow, but we'll know that when we do.
     
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  36. jolojonasgames

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    I finally added a map specifically for this suggestion. It was quite a bit of work, and different from the maps I usually make, but I hope it helps to give a clear image of what the route I'm suggesting is like.
     
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  37. Timmy

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    Hey :) Ich werd heute ein Video zu dieser Strecke hochladen auf meinem YouTube Kanal TrainSmqsherWorld. Ist es wieder möglich, wie schon bei Nürnberg-Bayreuth, deine Map wieder zu benutzen? Der Forumartikel hier wird natürlich verlinkt :)
     
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    Go ahead :)
     
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    2ADE6774-A405-4DA4-A0AC-7AF0B8B7F3CD.jpeg 6CF0BA3A-3FC6-4378-9944-318B3E569FA9.jpeg Here is the new S-Bahn but it’s not run on this Line.
     
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    Yes, not at this time. They might be in the future, as soon as DTG gets around to making this route, but for now they would not be realistic on S9 and S3.
     
  41. trainsimplayer

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    I like this suggestion, the Berlin S-Bahn would be quite the good network to have - even in part.

    I think this - along with Köln - Wuppertal would be great routes.
    (P.S. jolojonasgames I was looking at the rivet forums and I noticed an exact copy of that suggestion by the user of this forum known as drnicktgm#1259 with no credit, I assume (unless something else has been said) this is a steal, just incase you don't know)

    But I absolutely would buy this if it were made.
    100%
     
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    jolojonasgames Well-Known Member

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    I can't recall him asking me, but I very well might have forgot. I would appreciate credit and a heads up when such things are being done, but in the end I don't really care that much.


    I also think that the Berlin S-bahn could be a great addition, showing iconic landmarks, while providing unique gameplay and rolling stock.
     
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  43. DB628

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    The Ringbahn Lines drives every 5 minutes.
    We need all of the Lines as DLC and expansion all together then as full Network
     
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  44. alfredbus1

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    das ist ein sehr schöner vorschlag und ich würde eher alle s bahn strecken von berlin haben also das komplett es sbahn berlin netz wäre super .
     
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    this is a very nice suggestion and i would rather have all s bahn routes from berlin so the complete s bahn berlin network would be great.
     
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    drnicktgm#1259 Well-Known Member

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    What S Bahn Line is it that runs from Potsdam HBF to BER Terminal 1/2?
     
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  47. lukas#1835

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    No S-Bahn goes directly from Potsdam HBF to airport BER T1-2 but to Potsdam HBF the S7 goes from Ahrensfelde and from Westkreuz the S9 comes from Spandau which goes to the airport BER T1-2.
     
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    The BR 483/484 drives at the S47 Spindlersfeld-Hermannstraße.
     
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    I know I was driven from Hermannstr to one stop before Spindlersfeld and drove back
     
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