Ny-trenton: Usa Content Is Still Severely Flawed

I think they had mention that they try putting more services it didn’t work so they ran out of time and left it as is.So if the signaling is still an issue that would had to be investigated and sorted out before even thinking about adding more services. Adding more services has not even been mentioned so that’s where we are.

 

I think this is the major issue here. These new signals are supposedly so improved. But before release we were told every time they increased services, the route crashed, until they reached the point where they "had" to release it in its current state. Let's put aside the arbitrary and self-imposed deadline. What we don't know is if the signals can even handle more traffic. Of course I don't own this route, but there's enough feedback to surmise that, in its current state, it does not work properly, and the signals are a part of that. Perhaps DTG were under the impression that they could recycle a few old routes, lean on Brandon for the signals, design one new train and half the scenery for the new route, and that would be that. Except, in the end someone from DTG had to actually implement the signals, because Brandon is not their employee, and was just advising. Even then, Brandon has also stated that the signals were not implemented using the method that he would have chosen.

So, to get back to the main point, I agree that there is probably more work needed to the structure of this route in order to support more trains. I would have doubted that DTG would make such an effort, even if they hadn't already come out and said that they will not. They have moved on, and so will I. On to the next DLC!

 

And not to forget, the addons manager. That should now be more important than any future routes!

 

See you in 2037

 

Two notes on the route.
When released it should be better then anything DTG rushes out.
But as we have seen if faults sneak into the final product TGS is good at dealing with them as quickly as he can.
And since this is his frist route he deserves abit more understanding because of it,While DTG has no excuse after doing it and learning nothing because of them.

 

It would likely come before that. Union workshop is creating Asian content

 

Surprised this thread still isn’t locked by how off topic it’s become…

 

I’d bet that the majority of people that buy these routes are just people that see them on Steam/PSN/Xbox and think the pics look cool and buy them without ever coming into forums like this. In fact I have a feeling there’s probably a lot of players out there that buy the game and 1 or 2 routes, find the learning curve too high and don’t play much. Then on here we are hardcore players that have hundreds of hours and multiple routes/hundreds of dollars into it.

 

At this point there’s really not much more that we can say. Especially after the fact that even after in such a short period of time this thread is in the 10 ten all time in DTG forums, for the outrage of US content and even after all that they made their sales. So not sure if we actual help or might have made it worse since now they know the extent players will go and buy new content even with all the issues that were know ahead. I mean they said up front everything to basically turn you away from buying…. From recycled scenery from two previous routes ,lackluster timetable, no AI, no freight, no LIRR, not sure how much more they could had said. And still, people purchased it…….

 

At least DTG put some effort into NYC-Trenton.
(Defently alot more than the UP heritage pack, that was thrown together and thrown out the door with little care)

 

They are “jobs” that should have been on the flow chart to fix before release. If I buy a new car, I don’t expect to drive it off the forecourt with one of the doors just painted with primer. Day 1 when the route builder sat down and plonked in the assets that were known to clip, he should have been on to the 3D modelling team - this item needs a rework or resize. Sadly I do begin to think DTG are struggling for actual route building talent where TSW is concerned, whether that is the actual route itself or the models that go in it. Otherwise, why reuse assets known to be flawed in the first place? Back in the day that I worked on MSTS route building, our team had several accomplished 3D modellers and artists who relished the challenge of producing a complex building or structure.

 

Maybe this will be their way going forward - churn out 3 DLCs at once, and one might be ok - in this case, Acela

 

the UP Heritage was a joke it could have been so much better
the Trenton route was ok

the Acela was very nice
the sounds could be a somewhat better on it
if you drive at fast speed you can hear the sound looping (repeats)

 

Perhaps I didn't strike a nerve with you, but the person who initially responded to me was yelling, so they seemed upset with me.
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. Glad you saw where I was coming from & thanks for chiming in.

 

I don't think DTG will merge anything with the RVL for this route, and they explicitly stated timetable adjustments aren't their priority at the moment. However, there is a train that uses Track 5 in the DLC. I forget the time, but there's a ALP-46 that blasts through NWK on Track 5, presumably for the RVL. I didn't follow the train, but since 5 is reserved for RVL, I figured it was an AI train that diverges at Hunter & leaves the map.

There's a 99% chance that's the best we'll see from this DLC regarding the RVL.
No ALP-45 or PL42AC, just ALP-46s with their pans down running on Track 5. I'm confident enough to put some money on it.

 

Okay then looks like the solution might be North Jersey coastline a requested train simulator classic Route that can merge here at Rahway and make that service playable from Track 5 to NYC since it has ALP-45DPs like my local RVL.
Development team should have made that playable services that start from Newark to NY pen

 

We can't forget the comet IV/V Cab Car. The only thing is DTG might end up making Comet V Coaches as well which makes sense, but at the same time idk

 

Got it now but in reality, a Comet V Cab Car will run with a Comet IV & Comet V non-cab cars behind it. An example of that formation is the 19:12 Newark Penn Track 5 RVL train 5747 ALP-45DP with Comet IV & V. For the route in question I am going to base it off the August 21, 2021, set-up for NEC Train Train 3854 14:59 Trenton 15:25 New Brunswick RWJ/Rutgers Uni Station to NYC which arrived at 16:10 that one had ALP-46 or ALP-46A rear front was Comet V 6043 with Comet IV/V coaches at the back.

 

Saw a video for a 13:32 NJT multilevel cab car service from Penn station to Rahway where I only saw two AI trains which where both the Acela. One pulling into Penn, the other as he was shutting down service at Rahway passing heading to Trenton....So 2 AI trains on the entire run.......... that is awful.

 

So even if you take the 101 sunnyside yard moves that leaves only 188 services that terminate and originate from Penn station in a 24 hour timetable. we all the issues currently with the signaling, can it actually handle any more services. At this point it looks like we might have another LIRR in our hands…not being able to add any more services………I hope I’m wrong and they actually get it fix and get the timetable to a proper form. Would love to get this route in the future…..

 

Matt mentioned that the issue with the cut services was time, and that he was confident that more trains would work on the route.

 

They probably gon treat this dlc like the LIRR dlc, another excuse including not so "busy" type timetable and then some..they going to focus on more upcoming routes (uk or german) to make sure they get what they want....Great poll and answer by the 76%ers.

 

Kind of crazy to have benches you can sit on for the one route with no AI timetable.

There’s nothing to watch. What’s the point?

 

I have been asking that same question myself, about the benches, but also about the Training Center in general.

 

Yeah, I had such high hopes. It's a great idea, but they haven't done anything with it.

 

really wanted this for Boston sprinter especially Boston south, but yeah good point for the New York - Trenton lmao

 

From my experience. DTG's ''preserved collection team'' has a history of coming out with great fixes for routes that sold well. Even if it's a year later. So i'm still hoping that the DLC sold well enough to give them a reason to support it and improve it... Just fix the damn thing and sell the fixes for 5 bucks although that would be scummy as hell but it wouldn't derive too much from DTG's business practices.

 

I hope that’s the case. Any predictions on what’s going to be on the roadmap?

 

Some self congratulations about the add-ons manager, the removal of the NEC from the roadmap and rinse repeat the rest including the vague "looking into" fixing stuff that probably will never be fixed.

 

I would like to be hopeful, bot probably nothing more than what JD has already told us. A few fixes like the pantograph bug, but the rest will be classified as a "successful release of the super duper US bundle".

 

Yeah, marketing is something that DTG seems to do remarkably well, I’d assume they made good money from that US super bundle.

As long as they made the money already and everyone is past their two week refund window, I don’t see them caring enough to fix anything major with Trenton and the UP Heritage collection. At least not for a long time.

It’s unfortunate but I think we’ve done all what we can. It’s up to them to listen to the feedback now.

 

The buzz has move to the next release which it sounds to be a bundle for German routes. Nothing confirmed just speculation.US shelved again. They way it looks it might not be the last bundle.

 

Hope this bundled format will not become the norm, as it obviously leads leads to even worse quality due to the less time and care spent per add-on.

 

Agree…. but you know is all about the profits…… but I have a feeling their bundles will turnout to be a little better than US as far as quality.

 

Well, if the larger topic of this thread is the abysmal timetable of NYT, then I think that has been answered - in the negative. Not the answer we're looking for, of course.

Despite the efforts of the apologists on the thread, I think the majority opinion has been made clear and the best we can hope for is that DTG doesn't make this same mistake in future US passenger routes.

Having played a few scenarios and services, the absence of AI traffic is glaringly obvious, even though what little there is is quite well done. But then that just goes to emphasize " what might have been ".

 

I think one other thing DTG needs to look at in the future are these smaller US DLCs. The 3 that have been released have IMO been pretty mediocre to poor or they don't fit their respective eras.

The CSX SD40
-The Livery is too old for SPG
-If it was modern, it would need ditch lights
-The number series is lazy, didn't even research proper numbers ranges or fonts....

The ATSF F7
-The paint is fine for what they were going for, but it seems like a waste of such a good locomotive.
-The modern freight cars is inexcusable, they had the Clinchfield Stock on hand and didn't bother to use them.
-Putting it off till we got more retro equipment and doing a diesel legends pack for Cajon would of been a better option.

The UP Heritage Unit Pack
-Way too expensive for the content included, should of included more.
-Obviously was rushed, there isn't any care or love put into the liveries, they have errors that should never had happen.

And now we have a new DLC which could be another small US DLC with only the hints of BNSF on the horizon, wonder what DTG will screw up on it.....

 

I agree. The basic ideas were fine, but they could've been done much better. For example, instead of a gray CSX SD40 that does not fit the route, why not make a full retro pack? Could've painted the SD40 and maybe another diesel into Chessies System livery instead and make an 80s SPG pack (could still do it though, it would be pretty amazing). And as you have said, same with the ATSF F7. These periodically incorrect locomotives makes no sense in the base timetable, especially when you can't even pretend they are what-if preserved locomotives doing service, as they both are missing their ditch lights.

Which new DLC do you mean?

 

Could the timetable be due to lack of actual trains to use. There are less than 30 alp46s to use for njt. Which means it would be difficult to add hundreds of services if there isn't enough trains. NJT also uses alp46As which are different from the regular alp46s cuz of different sound, model differences, different physics. And the arrow IIIs do a bunch of other services which aren't in game of course. And the 45dps which run on other unelectrified lines which is also not in game.

 

Check the 1st post here and look at the spoiler tag
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/summary-new-tidbits-of-info-on-future-dlcs.65490/

 

I thought the same thing, but apparently reusing fleet numbers isn't a game limiting issue and they can and do repeat on some routes. An example given was the BNSF ES44C4 variant in game isn't very numerous and I guess if you look around the Barstow yard for long enough you will see reuse of fleet numbers.

Also Peninsula Corridor with the Baby Bullet you will sometimes see more of them during a run than actually exist IRL.

Would be a bit of an immersion breaker to see repeating fleet numbers but not as bad as an empty route IMO.

 

Sorry, but why speculate that when they have already admitted the only reason for the empty timetable is that they have ran out of development time?

Ah, I see it now. Thanks.

 

They ran out of 377/4’s on BML’s timetable and got around the issue by numbering some as 377/1s or 377/2s IIRC

 

We haven't had any news about the patch they were working on have we? At the very least we might have it two weeks after release, very different from BRO which if I remember correctly we had two patches in a few days. Is it because they are making important changes in the route and they are going to surprise us?

 

Either that, or it's just the more likely and sadder answer: they simply care less about the US stuff, so the patch takes less priority.

But to try to be a bit more positive, I would like to be surprised, and I won't mind if a patch takes a bit more time, if the end result is good. I can wait, as I didn't buy the route anyway. But if they were to fix the obvious issues with it, I would do so in a heartbeat.

 

Of course, what does it matter if it takes longer to implement some of the improvements that the community has been asking for! It would certainly go a long way towards cleaning up DTG's image, especially for US fans. Right now on steam it only has 41% positive reviews and that's a shame for a route with as much potential as this one. Fingers crossed!

 

Given how quickly patches started appearing for Bremen - yeah...

 

Well, I concur in one out of three (the third) which is pretty inexcusable. But as for the first two: the loco is explicitly a museum loco, running demonstrations for railfans. (Unfortunately console players have no way to keep it, like the CRR original, from spawning randomly; but on PC there's a mode that blocks it. Why this bit of code wasn't included in the DLC I have no idea)

 

I mean, mainline is still a mainline and FRA rules state a loco cant run one above 20mph without ditchlights.

Also the museum part just make it seem like its DTGs excuse to make said DLC rather than something more practical and prototypical.

 

There was a day 1 patch that was installed with the release of the route. JD explained that they are working on