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Sounds (looped Or Not)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by inversnecky, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. inversnecky

    inversnecky Well-Known Member

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    Rather than reply in a thread on screenshots, thought I’d continue this discussion here (regarding the AP Class 40).

    I’ve not tried the 40 in 32 bit yet, will try later and see if there’s any difference to my ears. Just personally, I’ve not heard anything glaring when playing 64 bit.

    I don’t know how it all works, or have looked at the folders, but would have thought all sounds are just from looped files? You have a train starting up sound, but once it’s running, there’s not going to be a file of 1 hour of stable running, no acceleration or deceleration. You’d think there’s maybe be a few minutes looped?

    Or is a base sound somehow ‘sampled’ in the 64 bit version?

    How does it all work? Why would 32 or 64 bit make a difference?
     
  2. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    It sounds fine in 32bit. There's even a warning on the AP website about it
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    The sounds are quite short and are looped as required.

    I must compare the sounds of the AP Class 40 with the Steam version of D345/40145
     
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    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    Assuming you go from idle to 40% throttle for example, what happens is that it plays the sound of the initial run up to 40%, and then loops a sound file AT 40%. In 64 bit, it loops the whole process.. so you'll here the engine rev up... then work at 40%, then go back to the start and throttle up all over again.
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Which is strange as there is only one set of Audio files - not one each for 32 bit and 64 bit
     
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    dunkrez Well-Known Member

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    I've noticed this, the whistle chimes in over and over at the wrong times - I wonder if this will be corrected one day? Fingers crossed, as the 40 pack is generally quite excellent.
     
  7. cscarpenter

    cscarpenter Well-Known Member

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    Wow this issue has not been that obvious to me, I did see the disclaimer on the AP site when purchasing but have not noticed anything blatantly untoward in 64 bit. I will now have to run it in both 32 & 64 bit and see how they differ.
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    If there was an easy fix they would have does it plus that announcement has been there for a few years now
     
  9. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    Here's the 64bit looping in action.

    Just awful. I can't stand to use it if I'm honest, and running in 32bit is a pain sometimes with larger routes and scenarios. Many of the scenarios in South Lancs and North Cheshire in BR Blue, and Liverpool to Manchester Victoria (my two favourites routes for a 40) just crash in 32bit.

    Without doubt, the 40 is the worst product AP do.
     
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  10. cscarpenter

    cscarpenter Well-Known Member

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    Have just run the 40 in 32 & 64 bit.
    OMG you are spot on, I hadn't really noticed till you pointed it out, (I will never win prizes for attention to detail).
    How bizzare, wonder why it is only this Loco that suffers with this problem? I have most of AP's offerings & they are all just fantastic in my eyes / ears.
     
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    cscarpenter Well-Known Member

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    It is not so obvious when in cab view but really stands out in external view when you listen for it.
    Like I said my attention to detail of sound was somewhat missing up to this point.
    Funnily the Steam 40145 doesn't suffer the same problem, must use different sound files.
     
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    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    It's also WAY too quiet.

     
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    cscarpenter Well-Known Member

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    I do agree with that, I think it is an AP thing, I just crank the speakers up to 11. LOL
     
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    dunkrez Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, true, shame really though - wonder why on earth it's just been left like that?
     
  15. inversnecky

    inversnecky Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I’ve only run it in 64, and have never known anything else.

    I noticed that on a cold start, the initial fumes aren’t synchronised with the engine start, as with the 37, maybe that’ll work better in 32bit too.
     
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    inversnecky Well-Known Member

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    Watching that on my little phone screen, I didn’t realise at first that was a real 40!
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    I don't find the Class 40 quiet except in the Cab
    So I drop the cab windows to increase the cab sound
     
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    "Sounds (looped or not)", and there was I assuming it was a 2 & 1/2 hr audio file for a 2 &1/2 hr route. Kappa.
     
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    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Yeah, it was the Staycation Express that ran from Appleby to Skipton along the Settle to Carlisle line last summer. Standing next to a 40 in BR blue livery really took me back. It was great.
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    For something to do I did a quick drive with the AP Class 40 and you get that looping sound
    Did another run with the 40145 off Steam which is also done by AP/RailRight and no looping sound

    The Class 40 Engine.proxyxml and Class 40 Engine.proxybin files are newer in my version of the normal Class 40 compared with those in the 40145 folder so having renamed the Class 40 Engine.proxyxml and Class 40 Engine.proxybin files by adding .bak to their names I copied the files from the 40145 to the default folders and the looping has gone :)

    Peter
     
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    inversnecky Well-Known Member

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    Interesting Peter, thanks for sharing, will give it a try. How do the 40145 sounds compare to the AP 40 souns generally? Quality, loudness?

    The AP 40 sounds are rather quiet - is there a way to book a loco's sounds by adjusting files?
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry no idea on changing the sound volume

    The 40145 uses the same sound files as the the AP stand alone version so sounds the same to me
    It is the Class 40 Engine.proxyxml and Class 40 Engine.proxybin files that define which sound is played, how loud and if it is looped or not
     
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    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    My steam version of the 40 also loops, so no point me trying this.

     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    Out of curiosity what is the date of your Class 40 Engine.proxyxml file in railworks\Assets\RailRight\Class40Mainline\Audio\RailVehicles?
     
  25. Pookeyhead

    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    12th Sept 2015
     
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    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    If yours are different... and don't loop... upload them to dropbox or Google drive.. share the wealth :)
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    My files in that folder have the same date so they won't be different than yours
    The files in railworks\Assets\RailRight\Class40BRBlue\Audio\RailVehicles are newer from 2018
     
  28. Pookeyhead

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    My Blue/Green files are 2019
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    All I did was copy the files from the Mainline to the Blue/Green folders and it, to me, seemed to make a difference.
    No harm in trying it
    Do you have that EFX on as I don't
     
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    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    I do have it on, as without it on the class 91 sounds utterly horrible, as do a couple of other AP products... see this thread... https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/class-91-motor-noise.26835/
     
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    Just tried it... nothing has changed. :(
     
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    Pookeyhead Well-Known Member

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    Class 40 now fixed. Re-download it from AP.

     
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    Thanks for the nod, have downloaded it and all good. YAY :)
     

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