Master List Of Japanese Route Suggestions

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  1. Commiee

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    A view on a number of Tokyo railway lines and Ochanomizu Station from Hijiri Bridge (photo by sprmrbrs41/CC BY-NC-ND 2.0)

    This thread is created with three goals:
    1. Make it easier for Japanese rail enthusiasts to look up if a route has been suggested already, so they can contribute to/boost already existing suggestions
    2. Make it easier for devs - whether DtG or third-party - to see which suggestions for Japanese routes have been made, and which ones are most popular
    3. Provide a thread where discussions by enthusiasts of Japanese rail about possibilities of seeing it in TSW can take place

    First, some informative links related to general discussions on Japanese rail:​
    Now the suggestions list:​
    • Suggestions are arranged alphabetically, names of suggesting authors link to the threads
    • In case of several suggestions for the same line, the links are arranged in alphabetic order of the names of the authors
    • Suggestions of same routes with different termini stations or eras are listed separately. The former are arranged based on alphabetic order of suggesting authors, in the latter the era-specific suggestions are listed subsequently
    • Line names are colour-coded based on their actual colour codes
    • Select video embeds added for visual appeal
    The list:

    1. Agatsuma Line, 2013 | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Shibukawa - Ōmae | Distance: 55 km (34 mi) | Services: passenger

    2. Aichi Loop Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Aichi Loop Railway | Connecting: Okazaki - Kōzōji | Distance: 45 km (28 mi) | Services: passenger

    3. Akita Shinkansen | fabdiva | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Morioka - Akita | Distance: 130 km (80 mi) | Services: passenger

    4. Chiba Urban Suspended Monorail | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Chiba Urban Monorail Co., Ltd | Connecting: Chiba-Mintao - Chishirodai | Distance: 15 km (9 mi) | Services: passenger

    5. Chūō East Line | NorthRail1 | Operated by: JR East (freight services by JR Freight) | Connecting: Tokyo/Kōfu - Shiojiri | Distance: 134/222 km (83/137 mi) | Services: passenger, freight

    6. Chūō Rapid Line | justin10 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Tokyo - Takao | Distance: 53 km (33 mi) | Services: passenger


    Chūō-Sōbu Line

    7. Chūō-Sōbu Line | jackmiller1234567890, Sharaf | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Mitaka - Chiba | Distance: 60 km (37 mi) | Services: passenger

    8. Echigo Line, 2019 | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Kashiwazaki - Niigata | Distance: 84 km (52 mi) | Services: passenger

    9. Enoshima Electric Railway | Commiee | Operated by: Enoshima Electric Railway | Connecting: Kamakura - Fujisawa | Distance: 10 km (6 mi) | Services: passenger

    10. Fujikyuko Line | [UK] Alien Baltan | Operated by: Fuji Kyuko | Connecting: Ōtsuki - Kawaguchiko | Distance: 27 km (17 mi) | Services: passenger

    11. Gonō Line | Sharaf | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Higashi-Noshiro - Kawabe | Distance: 147 km (91 mi) | Services: passenger

    12. Gotemba Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR Central | Connecting: Kōzu - Numazu | Distance: 60 km (37 mi) | Services: passenger

    13. Hakodate Main Line | Blartthaniel42 | Operated by: JR Hokkaido | Connecting: Sapporo - Asahikawa | Distance: 136 km (84 mi) | Services: passenger, freight

    14. Hakodate Main Line | Passarino | Operated by: JR Hokkaido | Connecting: Sapporo - Takikawa | Distance: 83 km (51 mi) | Services: passenger


    Hankyu Kyoto Main Line

    15. Hankyu Kyoto Main Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Hankyu Railway | Connecting: Osaka-umeda - Kyoto-kawaramachi | Distance: 45 km (28 mi) | Services: passenger

    16. Hanwa Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR West | Connecting: Osaka - Wakayama Airport | Distance: 63 km (39 mi) | Services: passenger

    17. Hidaka Main Line | MrSouthernDriver | Operated by: JR Hokkaido | Connecting: Tomakomai - Hidaka-Mombetsu | Distance: 51 km (31 mi) | Services: passenger

    18. Hisatsu Line | mlouie100 | Operated by: JR Kyushu | Services: passenger

    19. Hokkaido Shinkansen | lucasfor49 | Operated by: JR Hokkaido | Connecting: Shin-Aomori - Shin-Hakodate-Hokuto | Distance: 149 km (92 mi) | Services: passenger

    20. Izu Kyūkō Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Izukyū Corporation | Connecting: Itō - Izukyū Shimoda | Distance: 45 km (28 mi) | Services: passenger

    21. Jōetsu Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Takasaki - Miyauchi | Distance: 162 km (101 mi) | Services: passenger

    22. Jōetsu Line | maxthum | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Takasaki - Minakami | Distance: 59 km (36 mi) | Services: passenger

    23. Jōetsu Shinkansen | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR West | Connecting: Tokyo - Niigata | Distance: 270 km (167 mi) | Services: passenger

    24. JR Kōbe Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR West | Connecting: Osaka - Himeji | Distance: 88 km (54 mi) | Services: passenger

    25. Keihin-Tōhoku Line | fabdiva | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Omiya - Yokohama | Distance: 59 km (36 mi) | Services: passenger

    26. Keihin-Tōhoku Line, 1975 | jackmiller1234567890 | Connecting: Omiya - Yokohama | Distance: 59 km (36 mi) | Services: passenger


    Keikyū Airport Line

    27. Keikyū Main & Airport lines | dcr raptor | Operated by: Keikyu Corporation | Connecting: Shinagawa - Haneda | Distance: 18 km (11 mi) | Services: passenger

    28. Keio Inokashira Line | fabdiva | Operated by: Keio Corporation | Connecting: Shibuya - Kichijōji | Distance: 12 km (7 mi) | Services: passenger

    29. Keisei Narita Airport Line & Keisei Main Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Keisei Electric Railway | Connecting: Keisei-Takasago - Narita Airport | Distance: 51 km (32 mi) | Services: passenger

    30. Keiyō Line | Commiee | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Tokyo - Soga | Distance: 43 km (27 mi) | Services: passenger

    31. Koumi Line | lucasfor49 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Kobuchizawa - Komoro | Distance: 79 km (49 mi) | Services: passenger

    32. Kosei Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR West (freight services by JR Freight) | Connecting: Yamashina - Ōmi-Shiotsu | Distance: 74 km (46 mi) | Services: passenger, freight

    33. Kyūshū Shinkansen | Jo_Kim | Operated by: JR Kyushu | Connecting: Hakata - Kumamoto | Distance: 98 km (60 mi) | Services: passenger

    34. Meitetsu Tokoname Line | driverwoods#1787 | Operated by: Nagoya Railroad |
    Connecting: Jingū-mae - Chubu Airport | Distance: 33 km (20 mi) | Services: passenger

    35. Minobu Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR Central | Connecting: Fuji - Kōfu | Distance: 88 km (55 mi) | Services: passenger

    36. Musashino Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East (freight services by JR Freight) | Connecting: Tsurumi - Nishi-Funabashi | Distance: 71 km (44 mi) | Services: passenger, freight


    Nagano Electric Railway

    37. Nagano Electric Railway | dcr raptor | Operated by: Nagano Electric Railway | Connecting: Nagano - Yamanouchi | Distance: 33 km (20 mi) | Services: passenger

    38. Nambu Line | Commiee | Operated by: JR East (freight services by JR Freight) | Connecting: Tachikawa - Kawasaki | Distance: 45 km (28 mi) | Services: passenger, freight

    39. Nambu Line, 2014 | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Tachikawa - Kawasaki | Distance: 45 km (28 mi) | Services: passenger

    40. Nara Line | Articuno | Operated by: JR West | Connecting: Kyōto - Nara | Distance: 35 km (21 mi) | Services: passenger

    41. Narita Line | Nyseu85 | Operated by: JR East | Services: passenger

    42. Narita-Sobu-Yokosuka lines | fabdiva | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Narita - Kumihama | Distance: 140 km (86 mi) | Services: passenger

    43. Nishi-Kyūshū Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Matsuura Railway | Connecting: Arita - Sasebo | Distance: 94 km (58 mi) | Services: passenger

    44. Nose Electric Railway | dcr raptor | Operated by: Hankyu Corporation | Connecting: Kawanishi-noseguchi - Nissei-chuo | Distance: 15 km (9 mi) | Services: passenger

    45. Nozomi Shinkansen | Drawyah | Operated by: JR Central, JR West | Connecting: Shin-Kobe - Shin-Osaka/Kyōto | Distance: 31 km/85 km (19 mi/52 mi) | Services: passenger

    46. Odakyū Odawara Line | mlouie100, SD40Australia-Daniel | Operated by: Odakyu Electric Railway Company | Connecting: Shinjuku - Hakone/Enoshima | Services: passenger

    47. Ōito Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East, JR West | Connecting: Matsumoto - Itoigawa | Distance: 105 km (65 mi) | Services: passenger

    48. Ōme Line | dcr raptor | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Tachikawa - Oku-Tama | Distance: 37 km (23 mi) | Services: passenger, freight

    49. Ryōmō Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Oyama - Shin-Maebashi | Distance: 84 km (52 mi) | Services: passenger

    50. Saikyō Line | BigMountain555, jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Ōsaki - Ōmiya | Distance: 37 km (22 mi) | Services: passenger

    51. Saikyō Line & Rinkai Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East, Tokyo Waterfront Area Rapid Transit | Services: passenger

    52. San'yō Electric Railway Main Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: San'yō Electric Railway | Connecting: Nishidai - San'yō Himeji | Distance: 55 km (34 mi) | Services: passenger


    San'yō Shinkansen

    53. San'yō Shinkansen | SD40Australia-Daniel | Operated by: JR West | Connecting: Okayama - Osaka | Distance: 161 km (100 mi) | Services: passenger

    54. San'yō Shinkansen, 1970s era | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR West | Connecting: Okayama - Osaka | Distance: 161 km (100 mi) | Services: passenger

    55. Shinano Railway Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Shinano Railway | Connecting: Karuizawa - Shinonoi | Distance: 65 km (40 mi) | Services: passenger

    56. Shin'etsu Main Line | alexander.s, fabdiva, maxthum | Operated by: JR East (freight services by JR Freight) | Connecting: Takasaki - Nagano | Distance: 112 km (69 mi) | Services: passenger, freight

    57. Shonan Monorail | joseph.gov.uk | Operated by: Shonan Monorail Co., Ltd | Services: passenger

    58. Sunrise Seto | Rage607 | Operated by: JR Central, JR West | Connecting: Tokyo - Kotohira | Distance: 804 km (500 mi) | Services: passenger

    59. Tōkaidō Main Line & Itō Line | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: JR East, JR Central, JR West | Connecting: Tokyo - Itō | Distance: 143 km (89 mi) | Services: passenger

    60. Tōkaidō Shinkansen | aDoge | Operated by: JR Central | Connecting: Shizuoka - Odawara | Distance: 91 km (56 mi) | Services: passenger

    61. Tōkaidō Shinkansen | eric#9587, merls#6456 |Operated by: JR Central | Connecting: Tokyo - Shin-Ōsaka | Distance: 515 km (320 mi) | Services: passenger

    62. Tōkaidō Shinkansen, 1990s era | [UK] Alien Baltan | Operated by: JR Central | Connecting: Tokyo - Shin-Ōsaka | Distance: 515 km (320 mi) | Services: passenger, maintenance

    63. Tokyo Metro Tozai Line | ZeenozPlays | Operated by: Tokyo Metro | Connecting: Nakano - Nishi-Funabashi | Distance: 30 km (18 mi) | Services: passenger

    64. Tokyo Monorail | jackmiller1234567890 | Operated by: Tokyo Monorail Co., Ltd | Connecting: Hamamatsuchō - Haneda Airport | Distance: 18 km (11 mi) | Services: passenger

    65. Tōkyū Ōimachi Line | Class395 | Operated by: Tokyu Corporation | Connecting: Ōimachi - Mizonokuchi | Distance: 12 km (8 mi) | Services: passenger

    66. Tsukuba Express | fabdiva | Operated by: Metropolitan Intercity Railway Company | Connecting: Akihabara - Tsukuba | Distance: 60 km (37 mi) | Services: passenger

    67. Yamagata Shinkansen | Commiee | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Fukushima - Shinjō | Distance: 148 km (92 mi) | Services: passenger

    68. Yamanote Line | LativaBoy, VägAssLasse | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Shinagawa loop | Distance: 34 km (21 mi) | Services: passenger

    69. Yokohama Line | Dinosbacsi | Operated by: JR East | Connecting: Yokohama - Hachiōji | Distance: 42 km (26 mi) | Services: passenger​


    Thanks to jamesbaby286 for adding threads I had missed in my original search.
     
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  2. jamesbaby286

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    [These have now been added above]
    Here are some more threads:
     
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  3. Commiee

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    Thank you. I added the threads that weren't already in the list (some were under different names). The list has now expanded from 18 to 27 entries.
     
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    Purno Well-Known Member

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    I'm throwing in a general comment here to support any Japanese commuter route. Although I've probably already upvoted a few specific route suggestion with a 'like', I'm happy to see any Japanese commuter route.
     
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    Didn't even know there are that many japanese route suggestions on the forums! Nice to see, hopefully it reaches them at one point and we will get japanese content in the future.

    Personally I would really prefer a commuter route with something like the 103, 201 or 205 series, or the 209 or E231 series if we would to go with something more modern. But for starters I would buy anything japanese, even if it's a rural mountain route or a high speed route.
     
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    There's these 2 Rail Away episodes that are in Japan, and both routes if you look into them would be great!

    Mind you, Rail Away is Dutch, and so these videos are spoken Dutch, and only a summary of the full episodes that aren't available online, as far as I know, but you can still see why I think they'd be beautiful.

    (hitoyoshi - Aso)

    (Nagasaki - Sasebo)

    They're both more functional as well as being popular sightseeing route, and I think they'd fit into the game perfectly!
     
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    Dinosbacsi Well-Known Member

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    I've just noticed that there is no suggestion thread for the Yokohama Line yet? Even though I think it could also be a pretty good candidate for TSW. Maybe I should try making one for it.
     
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    If you think it's a good suggestion, then yes, please do create a suggestion topic for it. Make it look as good as you can to convince everyone it's a good idea. I'll probably throw in a "like" when I see the topic :P
     
  10. jamesbaby286

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    Ideally the production of Japanese routes should follow a specific order to help scale the ambition of the route with the amount of time that is able to be given to constructing a library of scenery assets. Scenery assets that can be made for low density towns can still be found in the densest of cities, not often the other way around.

    The order I feel would be best for Japan is this:

    Stage 1: Rural route between towns.
    To create a majority of foliage, cars, roads, signage, street features, low density houses, and low density businesses. Lots of green space which means time can be taken on building a familiarity with Japan as well as making sure to nail those core assets like roads and cars.
    Examples of this are the Hidaka Main Line, Tadami Line, and Story of Forest Rail routes on Train Simulator by Union Workshop.

    Stage 2: Regional centre/Major city outskirts route.
    To further expand low density house and business scenery set. To create medium density house and business scenery.
    What I have specifically in mind here is something like a line running in and/or out of centre with the density of town/city like Matsumoto, Nagasaki, or Niigata, or running along the outskirts of a city with the density of Kyoto or Nagoya.
    The Wakayama & Sakurai Lines on Train Simulator by Union Workshop has a density somewhere between Step 1 and Step 2. It's not quite as totally rural, but the largest urban centre on the route at Takada Station, is still almost only low density.

    Stage 3: Regional city/Major city suburbs.
    To slightly expand low density house and business scenery set. To further expand medium density house and business scenery set. To begin creating some high density assets.
    No Train Simulator examples. This would be a route featuring a city to the scale of Hiroshima, Nagoya, or Kyoto. Or a route running through the suburbs of major cities like Toyko, Osaka, Yokohama, Sendai, Fukuoka.

    Stage 4: Major city.
    To slightly expand medium density house and business scenery set. To heavily expand high density house and business scenery set.
    No Train Simulator examples. This would be a route featuring the dense centres of the major cities of Japan. Toyko, Osaka, Yokohama, Sendai, Fukuoka.
    Stages 1 and 2, and 3 and 4 can be combined depending on how direct the route is in towards, and out of the densest part of the featured population centre.
    For example; In Sendai the Tohoku Shinkansen and conventional Tohoku Main Line/Joban Line/Senzan Line routes only briefly run against the dense city centre for a short section with Sendai Station being on the very edge of the central district. The vast majority of its route through the city is amongst medium/low density suburbs.

    These stages are not necessarily something that can apply everywhere. For example, unlike Japan, in Australia we almost universally have either low density or high density. Medium density does appear but the transition between low and high isn't gradual like it is in Japan.
     
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    I think there's one question of gradually collecting assets, and then there's the question of performance impact of urban hubs like Shinjuku and even smaller stations/urban locations. I don't know how much the devs have had to strip down the routes we have in the sim compared to their IRL state. If they have to remove so much of the buildings/infrastructure/props that a busy hub would start looking like a medium-size suburban station, that would mean that either they aren't going to want to do it, or it will look not much like the IRL location once done. That's not to say I wouldn't want to still have it though.
     
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    I need some feedback: been thinking about making a suggestion for the Haruka Limited Express, which connects the airport to Kyoto through running on a number of lines. It (1) offers awesome sights, running over the sea for the first five minutes after leaving the airport and then has beautiful views of cities for passengers, and (2) features the 281 Series, which I think is a great-looking train and also has a unique second livery themed on Hello Kitty.

    But the journey is one hour and 25 minutes long, and the limited express only stops twice between the start and end stations.

    So: (1) do you think that would be an interesting experience gameplay-wise, and (2) do you remember other examples from TS Classic or TSW2 where an hour+ route only had a few stops in between? I'm trying to gauge how likely it would be to be made, all other factors being equal.
     
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    I think the key is not so much the journey time but the length of the route. Anything over 60 or 70 miles is going to be pushing it.
    In terms of long routes, well WCML Over Shap only really had three stations between Carlisle and Preston (Penrith, Oxenholme and Lancaster) so not unprecedented by any means.
     
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    How long was that in terms of journey time?
    The one I mentioned is about 62 miles so should be alright in that sense, but knowing if scenarios with 1.5 hours of driving have been made before would help further.
     
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    Between 80 and 90 minutes depending on the stopping pattern.
     
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    Well most of the high-speed routes currently in TSW also feature only a few stops, don't they?
     
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    Apart from SEHS I guess. But I checked other routes for both distance and journey time and sounds like the Haruka would fit in just fine.
     
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    How about my Suggestion the Meitetsu Tonkoname Line in Nagoya which has two distinct sections the 1910s and a Modern Mid 2000s elevated portion towards Chubu Airport. That one is an airport commuter rail like the Kansai Region Haruka.
     
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    I’ve always been interested in Japanese routes so I’d always buy one if DTG release a route - my favourite japanese route is the one where they send food in on bullet trains in restaurants
     
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    Me too and I can tell you they're going to be different from an NS Dutch route during rush hours you're basically forced to use the standing room only. My Mum's sister usually takes her local JR West commuter line in the Kyoto area one of those is Haruka
     
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    What I’d like to see in Japan is a route with a mixture of high speed and local passenger services and some freight. Basically a jack of all trades route like GWR or Peninsula Corridor.
     
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    A Japanese route that borrows the GWR train line up might be a nice way to introduce a Japanese train line to tsw2.
    1.One of japans high speed trains
    2.One of japans commuter trains
    3.One of japans freight trains(with one loco and at least 4 freightcar types)
    This would be a good way to give people a sample of what types of rail operations are found in japan.
    Of the routes listed above there where a few possibility among them for this type of route.
     
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    At most you would have at least 2 freight car types...

    -A KOKI class container flat car with the 12ft containers that Japan uses.
    JNR_Koki_50000_011.jpg

    -A TAKI class tank car if applicable.
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    -A HOKI class hopper if applicable.
    Hoki-10032.jpg

    -If the era is set pre-1985, we may also get the specialized KoKiFu 50000 class flat car. (Or any other specialized Fu class freight cars)
    Kokifu50000_59000.jpg
     
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    Is that even possible? So far the only Japanese high speed stuff I've seen are dedicated Shinkansen lines.
     
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    Shinkansen and locals mixing does happen on the Akita and Yamagata Shinkansen - these are Mini-Shinkansen and run on upgraded existing lines to serve destinations off the high speed lines. The track is rebuilt to standard gauge or mixed gauge with standard gauge 701 units providing the local service.

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    Did anyone create a suggestion for such a route? So far most suggestions I've seen limit themselves to either a dedicated Shinkansen line, or a 'dedicated' commuter line. A route which combines both might attract both groups of enthousiasts.
     
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    I did one for the Akita a while back

    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/akita-shinkansen.27075/
     
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    There are plenty of express trains in Japan that are not Shinkansen. Obviously Shinkansens are the fastest and most well known, but Japan is also full of "limited express" trains of various shapes and sizes, and they often run on regular track.alongside the standard commuter trains.

    Just think about trains like the Azusa Express, for example.
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    Or the JR381 series, which is a well known and widely used train as well.
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    There are many that could classify as "high speed" compared to the regular boxy EMUs.
     
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    I did see your proposal and here's the problem with E6 Shinkansen and the Nagoya Municipal Railway 2000 Series towards Chubu Airport is that both are tilting trains therefore added in game without the tilting mechanism. yet in reality both have tilting mechanism to solve the missing tilting train feature of E6 H5 E5 & N700 Supreme bullet trains alongside Nagoya Municipal Railway 2000 series either an American or european route with tilting trains must be added first then their tilting mechanism implanted onto Japanese tilting trains. That includes Your Akita bullet train route and my Nagoya Municipal Railway Chubu Airport route .
     
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    The real challenge might not be the trains themselves it more likely getting a license to use any of them.
     
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    I doubt implementing a tilting mechanism would be much of a challenge for DTG. I mean we tend to joke a lot about how they can't do basic things right, but that's mostly up for the lack of time to implement certain details.

    But to make the train tilt in curves would be a pretty easy thing to implement. You don't need extra modelling or anything for that. Could probably be simulated through Simugraph pretty easily.

    So as Shino said as well, making a tilting train would probably be the least of their problems with making a japanese route. Getting licence, reference info and actually making brand new Japanese themed assets (tracks, signals, buildings, scenery objects) would be their main challenges. But boy I hope they will get to it at one point.
     
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    Isn't the Tilt only 1 degree anyway?
     
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    Not that this is a japan only problem but earthquakes tend to be a slightly more annoying and negative effecting there causing rail shutdowns whenever one happens,it would be quite interesting if there effects where factored into train operations.
     
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    Why would a train simulator simulate earthquakes, lol?
     
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    It's been a bit of time but this is still worth answering.

    Put simply; Because it is an event that is essentially unique to Japan and regular enough event that every driver will likely be driving when an earthquake happens a handful of times per year.

    Unlike many random occurrences you'd expect in other countries, if you were to make a scenario with an Earthquake it would not have to end the game then and there. In many situations the drivers can continue their service after an earthquake.

    In Japan earthquakes are so commonly dealt with that this is a list of how drivers deal with a variety of earthquakes after their train is brought to an automatic stop by the early detection systems:
    1. If there was no or light shaking; The driver gets confirmation on how to proceed, once they get an all clear they reset the brakes, and continue the service as normal. The line will get a full check after the last service of the night if the shaking was light.
    2. If there was a light-moderate amount of shaking; The driver gets confirmation on how to proceed, they are told to proceed with a maximum speed that is either a certain km/h limit or a percentage of line speed, they continue the service under these restrictions. This limit may apply only to certain areas of a line or its entirety depending on its length and will last until track conditions that can support full speed can be ensured. Often on busy lines this means the rest of the day until full checks can be made at night.
    3. If there was a moderate-heavy amount of shaking; The driver gets confirmation on how to proceed, they are told to proceed with a very limited maximum speed until the next station to deboard their train.
    4. If there was a moderate-heavy amount of shaking; The driver gets confirmation on how to proceed, they are told either keep their train in place, and wait for support services in evacuating their train, or if conditions are dire or need to happen quickly then to direct evacuations themselves immediately.
    Depending on the circumstances the confirmation the driver gets may be specific instructions from the control centre or simply a notice to all trains over the radio.
    Admittedly I believe some things changed on the more severe end of the earthquake spectrum after the 2011 Earthquake based on potential loss of communications. I think those might have been if communication is lost after a severe earthquake to follow any information they can find on the earthquake and any tsunami and expect a self supported evacuation. Drivers and conductors are expected to know what parts of the line lay in tsunami risk areas.
    Also if I am recalling correctly point 3 might have been introduced after the 2011 earthquake as well.

    There are also drills that occur each year where the emergency system is deliberately tripped during a normal day of operation. I believe drivers get warning that the system will be tripped that day but not when. Not sure if passengers get a warning. I have to assume so.

    So in the cases of the first three points there are very interesting situations to run into during a scenario. The service is recoverable and can continue with a new and interesting challenge to the driving situation.
     
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    So I have a question to people who are familair with DtG/TSW2/TS licensing approach: does DtG hold licences for those, or do the rights belong to third-party devs who made the routes? If DtG decided to recreate the Japanese routes of Train Simulator in TSW2, would they need to get licensing for those routes again?
     
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    The Union Workshop routes on TS do not have any branding in them. (Note the lack of the JR logo)
    800px-JNR_103_oka_H18.jpeg maxresdefault.jpg
     
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    I am aware, but doesn't licensing also concern other things? Otherwise we would have modern TS routes set in Japan with modern trains without logos.
     
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    Even then, I'm pretty sure its been stated that DTG themselves will not make an unbranded route for TSW2, leaving us with only hoping UW makes the jump at some point in the future. (Or DTG somehow secures a JR license.)
     
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    The keikyuu line is also really good and diverse. One of the best lines I have ever seen in my life.
     
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    So I think I've collected as much info on the Keiyō Line as possible from a combination of partially outdated English-language sources and Japanese pages, however there's still one thing I'm confused about: I can't find mentions of freight services running on the line anywhere, but I see mentions saying it was originally opened as a freight-only line. Have freight services been removed by now? I can also see some photographs of freight consists at the Soga station, which is a terminus on the line, so not sure if they navigate from that terminus to other lines, or on the Keiyō Line itself. Can anyone clear this up?

    P.S. I've made a Wallpaper Engine item with a Sazanami service train video, so if any of you fans of Japanese rail use that app, you can take a look: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...m-for-enthusiasts-of-japanese-railways.45545/
     
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    https://tnk--ko-a-la9-jp.translate....tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui,se,op,elem
    According to this website which has the freight timetable from 2018 there are 20 freight services that traverse the line. All freight services services travel between Koshigaya Freight Terminal on the Musashino Line and Chiba Freight Station on the Keiyo Rinkai Main Line (freight only).The section between Futamatashimmachi Station and Soga Station is used for freight if we are talking exclusively about the Keiyo line.
    Soga station's freight holding lines are a specifically mentioned destination for all of the services. It is at Soga Station where the electric locomotives detach from their trains and head to the depot a Sugo, and a heavy duty diesel shunter from the Keiyo Rinkai Railway takes the train the rest of the way to Chiba Freight Station. Every one of the services has a designated arrival and departure time as Soga. So it would be suitable to use Soga Station as one of the start/end points, but Chiba Freight Station is not very far from Soga Station along and exclusive freight only line so I don't think it would be too far to extend it to there. But of course that would require the diesel shunter.
    On the other end of the Keiyo line section freight services use; freight trains don't have any clear stopping points until after they split from the Keiyo Line at Futamatashimmachi Station and on to the Musashino Line. The closest point mentioned in the timetable is at Ichikawa-Ono Station where there is a station length 3-track running section for freight services to stop for passing passenger trains (and 2 services have a specifically mentioned extended halt on this track) which isn't unreasonably far but is a bit odd as a point to stop passenger services.

    And just to provide that information a bit more cleanly:
    Depart/Arrive Koshigaya Freight Terminal ↔ Minami-Nagareyama Station (freight can stop) ↔ Ichikawa-Ono Station (2 freight do stop) ↔ Soga Station (All stop) ↔ Chiba Freight Station Arrive/Depart
    Orange: Musashino Line
    Red: Keiyo Line (despite having 1 designated stop it still is a decent sized section of the distance)
    Blue: Keiyo Rinkai Main Line
     
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    I belive it was progressively conver
    I know at the Tokyo end it was originally freight, a new link was built from what is now Shin Kiba station to the abandoned Narita Shinkansen platforms at Tokyo Station which is now the Keiyo line. The Stub from there to Odaiba then became part of the TWR Rinkai line. The TWR line was originally planned to be a freight line before the redevelopment of Odaiba int the 1980s/90s saw plans changed into a Passenger line
     
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    Thank you to both. I also checked the JRF page and seems like they list the freight service in the area as part of the Musashino Line only, so freight probably would not be part of a Keiyō Line suggestion.
     
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  45. Kickstarter

    I recently wrote a suggestion where rail fans outside of DTG get some funding together and launch our own venture. Pay programmers and coders.
    We could get skilled Japanese people who live in the area to collect details for the route.
    Those in the kickstarter would get the route for free.
    Those who put in more than the standard $50 would get a say on the next route.
    It will be separate from DTG and we would just need to contact them when for the development team to get access to the tools to make the routes.
     
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    There is a serious need for new countries, Japan being one of the highest sought after, and DTG clearly isn't (planning on) listening, as far as we're aware of.
    Not sure how well an initiative like this would go, though at the very least it would send a clear message.
    Do keep us updated though
     
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    I just dont think DTG has the resources or time to do a Japan route atm, if anything they need to get Union Workshop on their partner program, and go from there.
     
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    Do you mean the makers of TSC Japanese Routes? If so then a TSW 3 version of Tohoku Shinkansen can Happen.
    This combines the 200 mph (320 kmh) capability of TGV Duplex DB Baureihe 403 ICE 3 from HMA and SFS Hannover Wurzburg DB BR406 ICE3M SFS Koln Aachen with the Tilt of DB Baureihe 612 Riesa-Dresden ICE-T & NEC Boston Acela Express. At those speeds, E5 & H5 Shinkansen avoid the problem of Derailing due to their Active Suspension tilt mechanism. Perfect route to test this is the NEC Boston Providence Attleboro to Providence section
     
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  49. Apparently it is. I read somewhere it is coming to Train sim world as it was released to Train Sim.

    But I am hanging for the Odakyu line, short stops like 1-2km between each station. It's fast and requires high levels of concentration.

    If we have funding we can use it to pay developers such as Union Workshop (or other). Might need to create own company/business and go from there. DTG is happy to work with anyone really.

    I'm sure if Kickstarter funding was raised and we had enough backing, lots of railfans talking about it etc.... even DTG would be haoppy to go to Japan.

    The problem is in Japan copyright is worse than strict.

    But Microsoft managed it 25 years ago with MSTS.

    Then again you are talking big companies. Microsoft isn't exactly small.

    While I would love to see a 3'6" gauge electric EMU railway from Japan in TSW3/4/5 I am not sure DTG can do it as they would need to get the logo trademark etc etc and would need to go record sounds and take millions of photos in Japan.

    I would love to see a route editor, but I guess it still is coming.

    If some philanthropist decided to give a few million for a Japanese rtoute you never know!

    Or a person high up in one of the Japan private rail companies (JR is private now I believe) wanted to get some routes made or was happy to invite DTG and help them.

    One of the JR lines have released a simulator (It is video basically) on Steam recently.

    Here is hoping we can keep this thread going and let it get some interest.
     
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    Not anytime soon in the sense, it would be released for TSW, but its currently understood they had done some research and development with the E5 being imported in UE4.

    UE4 is a long learning curve and they are taking their time with another project which is Tokyo based for TSC.
     
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